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re: New Orleans is now $150 million in the hole for the year
Posted on 4/10/20 at 10:50 am to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 4/10/20 at 10:50 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Are you implying that what the President of the United States says about a given subject has no impact on how millions of Americans view that subject? Have you spent any time on the poli board at all?
to be fair, which major, elected government official was freaking out in:
a. January?
b. Februray?
c. March 1-13?
This post was edited on 4/10/20 at 10:51 am
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Posted on 4/10/20 at 10:53 am to doubleb
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That was already happening before the pandemic.
You haven’t seen anything yet because that has been a steady stream. Now you are about to see an 80’s style spigot opened today full strength as people/businesses are now moving to Florida and Texas to shield their assets. I’m already seeing a bunch of friends of mine buying houses in Florida right now in anticipation of their business filing for BK protection.
This post was edited on 4/10/20 at 10:54 am
Posted on 4/10/20 at 10:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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when the WHO and CDC are fricking up, do you really think the solution was to have Trump ignore scientists earlier on then they would permit?
It came out just a few days ago that Peter Navaro sounded the alarm on this within the administration in late January, and that US intelligence spent January and February trying to get Trump to take this seriously, but he was too busy playing golf or worrying about his tv ratings to listen. There was no effort or coordination at all for ANY response whatsoever outside of the travel ban.
If you can't admit that's a weak response on Trump's part then you're just not being honest, either with me or with yourself.
And of course that's without mentioning him disbanding the pandemic response team 2 years ago, which you pretend didn't happen.
This post was edited on 4/10/20 at 10:59 am
Posted on 4/10/20 at 10:57 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I appreciate your backpedaling, deflecting, and red herring attacks to try to defend your political sports team at all costs. I really do.
You are just using baseless accusations to try and discredit what I am saying/asking.
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Tell me, what would Trump have to do to lose your support NPC?
Bail out cities and companies that are in the position they’re in not because of this virus, but because of parasitic policies.
Give money to illegals.
Place blame anywhere other than China.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:00 am to Draconian Sanctions
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If you can't admit that's a weak response on Trump's part t
Im nof a Trump fan, you're just indoctrinated.
Which nations responded better?
Outside of two hotspots, this thing isn't ravaging the country.
What about louisianas response?
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:00 am to Draconian Sanctions
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It came out just a few days ago that Peter Navaro sounded the alarm on this within the administration in late January,
yeah and the WHO was still saying it wasn't transmittable human-human and like 2 days after the memo (iirc) Trump banned travel from China
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There was no effort or coordination at all for ANY response whatsoever outside of the travel ban.
well most of that was for the states/local level to do, especially due to the nature of this issue
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If you can't admit that's a weak response on Trump's part
with hindsight bias it was weak, but even then, what should he have done? i mean actual policy at the federal level, not generalities like "taking it more serious" or "tweeting differently"
send troops to China?
declare martial law and quarantine major coastal areas?
hell, with the new data about NYC, our major spread was from EUROPE, not China. Trump got on that before anyone else, too, and was internationally criticized. so what do you think he should have done? ban travel from the EU in early Feb?
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:00 am to Draconian Sanctions
If trump’s travel ban was inadequate, then what more could he have done? Remember the liberals wanted no part in banning travel to and from China.
I take everything with a grain of salt. But for the sake of argument, let’s assume we all listened to and considered everything trump said as being 100% true. How would that have contributed to the virus being spread faster?
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Because millions of NPCs like you take everything he says as gospel.
I take everything with a grain of salt. But for the sake of argument, let’s assume we all listened to and considered everything trump said as being 100% true. How would that have contributed to the virus being spread faster?
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:01 am to Draconian Sanctions
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And of course that's without mentioning him disbanding the pandemic response team 2 years ago, which you pretend didn't happen.
i go off the data and the former head says it was just combined with a different group
EVEN THEN
what could they have done to make China (and its proxy the WHO) tell the truth in December/January? tell me
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:02 am to Draconian Sanctions
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It came out just a few days ago that Peter Navaro sounded the alarm on this within the administration in late January, and that US intelligence spent January and February trying to get Trump to take this seriously, but he was too busy playing golf or worrying about his tv ratings to listen. There was no effort or coordination at all for ANY response whatsoever outside of the travel ban.
Wasn’t he facing impeachment during this time? Do you think that possibly could have diverted his attention just a little?
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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well most of that was for the states/local level to do, especially due to the nature of this issue
I disagree with that but that's more of a philosophical difference between us i guess
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what should he have done? i mean actual policy at the federal level, not generalities like "taking it more serious" or "tweeting differently"
I would say coordinate acquisition of PPE, testing, and other medical supplies (vents, ect) as a country so states don't have to compete against each other & drive the prices up/slow down acquisition. I think he also could have done more to encourage the private sector to help out.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:05 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Im nof a Trump fan, you're just indoctrinated.
yet i've time and again given Trump credit when I think it's due
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:06 am to Draconian Sanctions
Trump
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Draconian
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Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:07 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I disagree with that but that's more of a philosophical difference between us i guess
why did we need a national response?
hell, with hindsight, it's clear a national response was overly burdensome
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I would say coordinate acquisition of PPE, testing, and other medical supplies (vents, ect) as a country so states don't have to compete against each other & drive the prices up/slow down acquisition. I think he also could have done more to encourage the private sector to help out.
he let the CDC handle things until they utterly failed
again, yes, we could have tried to acquire more PPE or banned exporting it. I agree, but the CDC wasn't recommending that at the time
and outside of hindsight, do you think Trump would have been able to ignore "scientists" (as a quote not mockery) so blatantly? did he have the political capital to do that? especially when this was a primarily state-based issue and the ones in danger all have Democrat heads
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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he let the CDC handle things until they utterly failed
national public health emergencies are not the time to delegate then hit the back 9.
I don't think we're actually too far apart on this. I don't blame Trump for everything related to this, WHO/CDC and obviously China deserve it as well.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:11 am to SuperSaint
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Trump
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Yet I've given Trump more credit over the years than 99.9% of the left leaning posters here combined.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:13 am to Draconian Sanctions
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national public health emergencies are not the time to delegate then hit the back 9.
it wasn't projected as that until mid-Feb at the earliest
the WHO was even criticizing our travel ban
and what, specifically, could Trump do to help the CDC in February? they had free reign and i would argue anything Trump would do, would get in their way
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I don't blame Trump for everything related to this, WHO/CDC and obviously China deserve it as well.
about 90% of all blame goes to China, and if we include the WHO (b/c they're China's lap dog), it's 95%
the facts are the US handled this fine and our deaths are WAY under projections. the vast majority of the country is going to be back in early May
also you skipped this:
to be fair, which major, elected government official was freaking out in:
a. January?
b. Februray?
c. March 1-13?
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:13 am to Draconian Sanctions
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would say coordinate acquisition of PPE, testing, and other medical supplies (vents, ect) as a country so states don't have to compete against each other & drive the prices up/slow down acquisition. I think he also could have done more to encourage the private sector to help out.
All of this is constructive criticism and fair points. He could have done more of that.
But it wasn’t until early Feb. that the impeachment thing was resolved. Too bad the Democrats in Congress chose to gin up a trial for political gain at a time like this.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:17 am to SlowFlowPro
Early May????? You know this how?????
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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to be fair, which major, elected government official was freaking out in:
I'm not sure how relevant this is. The President has access to a lot more information than the Governor of New Mexico.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:20 am to dukke v
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Early May????? You know this how?????
Thankfully the curve does appear to be flattening, at least it looks like that may be starting to be the case. Still need more data over the next few weeks but it's possible we can start getting back to normal come May.
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