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re: New Infrastructure Spending Plan likely means a NOLA -Baton Rouge passenger rail link
Posted on 4/4/21 at 5:56 pm to LegendInMyMind
Posted on 4/4/21 at 5:56 pm to LegendInMyMind
The biggest hurdles a train would have to overcome is price and frequency/convenience. $60 roundtrip is too big of a hurdle. $10 is probably a realistic figure.
The initial idea of 2 trains a day is pretty limited especially for a population that isn't used to scheduling around transportation.
The initial idea of 2 trains a day is pretty limited especially for a population that isn't used to scheduling around transportation.
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 6:02 pm to TJG210
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So invest in a railway for private rail
Most rail crossings over large waterways or flood plains are funded by your tax dollars. Very common.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 6:06 pm to fightin tigers
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The biggest hurdles a train would have to overcome is price and frequency/convenience. $60 roundtrip is too big of a hurdle. $10 is probably a realistic figure.
If it's a commuter train, I imagine they'll do monthly, weekly, or daily passes. not sure if $10 would be enough for the longest origin-destination pairing, but it probably isn't too far off. Something like $200/month for a monthly pass.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:22 pm to Winston Cup
quote:Exactly this. You think most of the working class of Americans are going to be riding the rails or a bunch of hobos?
why are we building railroads is this the 1800s?
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:43 pm to member12
So dumb. It’s a 50 minute ride on I-10.
America is a nation of cars and personal freedom, we will never be like Europeans and their trains.
America is a nation of cars and personal freedom, we will never be like Europeans and their trains.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:48 pm to LSUcdro
Have you ever been on a highspeed train in Europe or Asia?
Far from the 1800s railroads
have you ever been on a road in louisiana?
pretty damn close
Far from the 1800s railroads
have you ever been on a road in louisiana?
pretty damn close
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:48 pm to jcaz
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So dumb. It’s a 50 minute ride on I-10.
America is a nation of cars and personal freedom, we will never be like Europeans and their trains.
Serious question. Have you spent any time in a any metro area with a commuter rail?
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:49 pm to KickPuncher
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Exactly this. You think most of the working class of Americans are going to be riding the rails or a bunch of hobos?
I'm convinced that none of you have actually used a commuter train before.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:52 pm to carnuba
Amazing---everybody always point to high speed rail in Europe and Asia yet airlines there continue to grow like crazy. More people fly in Europe than ever before.
If there were demand for rail service between BR and NO buses would running regularly between the two cities now.
If there were demand for rail service between BR and NO buses would running regularly between the two cities now.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 3:37 am
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:53 pm to KickPuncher
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Exactly this. You think most of the working class of Americans are going to be riding the rails or a bunch of hobos?
The METRA trains I take when not working from home hold about about 1500 people each. Wouldn't shock me if the average income of those train riders is substantially higher than the wealthiest zip code in Louisiana. And likely far more educated.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:54 pm to member12
None have probably taken anything other than the trams at Disney.
They probably think there will be a conductor and porters at each stop punching tickets and loading for 30 minutes.
They probably think there will be a conductor and porters at each stop punching tickets and loading for 30 minutes.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:59 pm to fightin tigers
LINK
Found this article. Not posted before. Conflicts with a lot of the "expert" opinions of the OT.
Hour from end to end; $15 round trip.
I'd pay that happily to sit back and relax while all of you losers get stuck in that rush hour.
85% of south Louisiana residents think this is an important project.
They canceled service between Baton Rouge and New Orleans after people sprawled away from the city centers in the late 1960s. They never bothered adding stops in suburban areas or even attempting to run commuter trains since then.
Found this article. Not posted before. Conflicts with a lot of the "expert" opinions of the OT.
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The proposed Baton Rouge to New Orleans Amtrak line would include many of the elements recommended in a 2014 rail study, commissioned by BRAF, the Capital Region Planning Commission and the New Orleans Regional Planning Commission. There would be stations near the Electric Depot on Government Street and in the Bluebonnet-Essen-Perkins medical district, both in Baton Rouge, in Gonzales, LaPlace and at Louis Armstrong International Airport, with the final stop at the Union Passenger Terminal near the Superdome.
It would take about an hour to ride the whole route, close to the same time it would take to drive the same distance. The study called for eight round trips a day, with round trip tickets costing about $15.
The 2014 report estimated it would cost $262 million to get the rail service going. The biggest expense would be $62.1 million to replace the 1.8-mile wooden rail bridge across the Bonnet Carre Spillway, where trains now crawl at 10 miles per hour.
Hour from end to end; $15 round trip.
I'd pay that happily to sit back and relax while all of you losers get stuck in that rush hour.
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Amtrak is focused on developing rail service between city pairs, like Baton Rouge and New Orleans. Ross said a line between the state capital and the Crescent City checks the boxes the agency is looking for: public support (a recent survey of south Louisiana residents found that 85% said it was "very important" or "important" to have a rail line connecting Baton Rouge and New Orleans); good population density; and a trip time that’s competitive with driving. Plus, there’s political muscle behind the effort. Gov. John Bel Edwards supports the measure, along with former U.S. Rep. Cedric Richmond. The New Orleans Democrat is now working in the White House as a senior adviser to Biden.
85% of south Louisiana residents think this is an important project.
They canceled service between Baton Rouge and New Orleans after people sprawled away from the city centers in the late 1960s. They never bothered adding stops in suburban areas or even attempting to run commuter trains since then.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:02 pm to fightin tigers
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None have probably taken anything other than the trams at Disney.
They probably think there will be a conductor and porters at each stop punching tickets and loading for 30 minutes.
We saw how the F-250 crowd handled those roundabouts in Walker. I imagine there will be initial fear of the commuter rail; then a very, very steep learning curve.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:05 pm to goofball
The OT has already done a study, ain't nobody going to ride it. Let those idiots out in California create jobs and get better infrastructure. Louisiana is leading by doing things a different way.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:09 pm to dewster
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The METRA trains I take when not working from home hold about about 1500 people each. Wouldn't shock me if the average income of those train riders is substantially higher than the wealthiest zip code in Louisiana. And likely far more educated.
And the Chicago metro area haa about 9.4 million people. You can’t compare NO/BR with Chicago.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:14 pm to fightin tigers
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The OT has already done a study, ain't nobody going to ride it. Let those idiots out in California create jobs and get better infrastructure. Louisiana is leading by doing things a different way.
They'll just get Louisiana's share when the state rejects the funding. That's basically what happened when Jindal rejected federal dollars for it last time.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:16 pm to goofball
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There would be stations near the Electric Depot on Government Street and in the Bluebonnet-Essen-Perkins medical district, both in Baton Rouge
If they can manage this without absolutely wrecking vehicular traffic in those areas, I'd probably never drive to Nola again.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:19 pm to fightin tigers
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The initial idea of 2 trains a day is pretty limited especially for a population that isn't used to scheduling around transportation.
They are saying 8 per day.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:21 pm to goofball
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There would be stations near the Electric Depot on Government Street and in the Bluebonnet-Essen-Perkins medical district, both in Baton Rouge, in Gonzales, LaPlace and at Louis Armstrong International Airport, with the final stop at the Union Passenger Terminal near the Superdome.
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It would take about an hour to ride the whole route, close to the same time it would take to drive the same distance.
It’s about 80 miles from the Dome to Electtic Depot. To get from the Dome to Electric Depot in one hour after making four stops, how fast would the train have to travel? 100mph peak?
And note who paid for the study. The advocates for the project.
There is no real facts backing up their study and the cost of 15 dollars per trip.
Basic questions are unanswered, the biggest being how many riders would use the train on a yearly basis. What would it cost to operate and maintain the line?
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:27 pm to doubleb
Definitely think the study paints a better picture than initial reality. Usually every study and projection usually does.
The max speed would probably be limited to 80 or below so the time would be closer to 1.5-2hrs considering acceleration/deceleration and 5min stops.
Necessary public funding would probably be higher in the initial years as well.
The max speed would probably be limited to 80 or below so the time would be closer to 1.5-2hrs considering acceleration/deceleration and 5min stops.
Necessary public funding would probably be higher in the initial years as well.
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