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re: New Infrastructure Spending Plan likely means a NOLA -Baton Rouge passenger rail link
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:34 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:34 pm to fightin tigers
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5min stops.
I doubt it's anywhere near that long. Most Amtrak stops will have people with heavy luggage. These trains are going to be 90% commuters.
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:45 pm to member12
quote:No the frick I haven't. However I would imagine unless you are in a massive city like NYC then most people taking public transportation are of the lower class. Nothing wrong with that but that usually involves a lot more crime.
I'm convinced that none of you have actually used a commuter train before.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:53 pm to KickPuncher
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However I would imagine unless you are in a massive city like NYC then most people taking public transportation are of the lower class
This isn’t true of NOLA. I grew up in NOLA in the 80s/90s/early 2000s and we always took the bus. There is crime on some bus lines, (although I never witnessed it) but there is a lot of crime on the subway in NYC, too.
People in bigger cities that have good public transportation use it.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:56 pm to KickPuncher
One of the closest things to this project might be the light rail in Denver (East/A line)
Obviously, there are differences (mileage/frequency), but it could give an idea of what to expect.
If there was a flat $10 charge from the Airport to CBD that could provide a lot of financial support. Especially if they found a way to run trains more often on the stretch.
Totally depends on the line as to who rides. Paying $10 to board a train that only has limited egress points just to rob someone is not a prime spot for crime. Especially when most of the trains will probably have a transit cpp or two.
Obviously, there are differences (mileage/frequency), but it could give an idea of what to expect.
If there was a flat $10 charge from the Airport to CBD that could provide a lot of financial support. Especially if they found a way to run trains more often on the stretch.
Totally depends on the line as to who rides. Paying $10 to board a train that only has limited egress points just to rob someone is not a prime spot for crime. Especially when most of the trains will probably have a transit cpp or two.
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:57 pm to KickPuncher
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I'm convinced that none of you have actually used a commuter train before.
No the frick I haven't.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:57 pm to fightin tigers
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Definitely think the study paints a better picture than initial reality. Usually every study and projection usually does.
The max speed would probably be limited to 80 or below so the time would be closer to 1.5-2hrs considering acceleration/deceleration and 5min stops.
Necessary public funding would probably be higher in the initial years as well.
Bingo
They float their study, they paint a rosary picture, they sell it to you and then we get the real numbers.
Before I back something like this I want to know how many regular riders they will have. I don’t care about occasional tourists, granny taking a couple of grand kids on a lark, but I want to see how many daily commuters that work in NO and live in BR of who live in NO and work in BR.
Until they can tell you that then there’s no way to tell you if it will work or not. And remember, we are facing changing times with more workers working at home and not the office
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:59 pm to doubleb
A few consulting groups will be the winners in this deal.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:59 pm to doubleb
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Bingo
They float their study, they paint a rosary picture, they sell it to you and then we get the real numbers.
Well, The Advocate and BRAC both did polls. And both show overwhelming support for this project.
It may be slanted (The Advocate in particular isn't very trust worthy) but it at least isn't pure conjecture like your posts on this particular topic.
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:59 pm to doubleb
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I want to see how many daily commuters that work in NO and live in BR of who live in NO and work in BR.
Although I’m for having the rail line - this is a big issue.
As per my experience - once it’s done it will be 20 years too late for me
Posted on 4/4/21 at 9:00 pm to doubleb
So before you support the project you want them to know the future.
Imagine taking the same approach on a bridge placement for the loop.
Imagine taking the same approach on a bridge placement for the loop.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 9:02 pm to fightin tigers
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None have probably taken anything other than the trams at Disney.
Ah Disney. Another major transformational project lost to a better state....
Posted on 4/4/21 at 9:06 pm to member12
"No one will ever go to a theme park based on a mouse and princesses." -- BR Area OT'ers circa 1970.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 9:08 pm to fightin tigers
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So before you support the project you want them to know the future.
I didn’t say that.
Right now there is a finite number of workers who live in BR and work in NO and vice versa. How many are there?
Then using other similar metro areas they could make an educated estimate of what % would likely take the train. 10%, 20%????
Would you build it not knowing that information, or would you just take a leap of faith?
If you didn’t have some kind of estimate based on numbers, how many trains would you run? How much would you charge?
You can develop a business plan, not knowing the future but based on good sound principles of the industry.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 9:09 pm to fightin tigers
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"No one will ever go to a theme park based on a mouse and princesses." -- BR Area OT'ers circa 1970.
Tesla has been selling every car they can possibly make and they are still terrified of EVs.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 9:12 pm to doubleb
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If you didn’t have some kind of estimate based on numbers, how many trains would you run? How much would you charge?
They have studies to support their position. You don't.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 9:16 pm to member12
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Well, The Advocate and BRAC both did polls. And both show overwhelming support for this project.
I wonder if the pollsters asked the respondents if they wanted their tax dollars to be used to subsidize a rail line in a manner similar to CATS does with our buses?
I wonder if the respondents even know the trains would not pay for themselves?
I ask you, why would any serious discussion take in to account a poll of respondents that hardly gave any information regarding the issue at hand?
Posted on 4/4/21 at 9:18 pm to member12
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They have studies to support their position. You don't.
What are their numbers. Link them, or list them. I have never seen them.
How many workers are potential riders?
Posted on 4/4/21 at 9:18 pm to doubleb
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I wonder if the respondents even know the trains would not pay for themselves?
Is the same standard applied to interstate widening projects? Tell me when I-12 will pay for itself and how that math works out.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 9:19 pm to doubleb
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What are their numbers. Link them, or list them. I have never seen them.
How many workers are potential riders?
Posted in the article in the OP and discussed in detail in subsequent posts in this thread. You can read. It's text.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 9:24 pm to doubleb
They are all over in this thread. I can link one, but it is a direct download. Let me know if you want me to link it.
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