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re: New clues in D.B. Cooper case

Posted on 1/18/17 at 1:50 pm to
Posted by No8Easy2
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 1:50 pm to
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No experienced parachutist would have jumped in the pitch-black night, in the rain, with a 200-mile-an-hour wind in his face


while i can speak for DB experience or why he made some of those decisions. I can tell you as a former airborne Marine with over 100 jumps both static line and HALO that this jump is not nearly has hard as its being made out to be.
At night would not have been an issue.
in the rain not an issue.
While 200 mph is not ideal and would have been painful it certainly wouldn't have killed him

Hell during WWII thousands of airmen had to bail out of damaged aircraft under difficult
conditions, without reserve parachutes, using equipment they did not pack or maintain themselves,
in cold weather and there survival rate was over 90% on the jump

For me it comes down to the landing zone, heavy woods i dont think he would survive, farmland he made it
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 2:35 pm to
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Yeah this is one "bad guy" I would love to hear lived out his days on a beach in Mexico. What an awesome heist, straight out of Hollywood. Didn't hurt anyone. Just pulled one of the most daring capers in history. Most experts think he didn't survive the jump but no body ever found so...


Butch Cassidy and Andy Dufresne also retired on a Mexican beach FWIW.

Now, with regard to Cooper not surviving the jump ... I've logged 4 digit number of jumps, jumped with some of the finest, most fearless, in the world over the years.

Never have I or anyone I know ever concluded that he died on that jump. To the contrary, and it's always been a ho topic of discussion in my circle of paratroopers and sport jumper ... he most definitely survived that jump. He got out me got on the ground. He wasn't hung, he suffered no injury catastrophic enough to have crippled him beyond survival ... and, most importantly, most of us are convinced he had done it before in at least one practice pass over that, or a similar DZ under similar conditions.

The one thing most of us do actually disagree on is whether or not he had someone on the ground because it's been said, we've always heard, that he did have modern hand held commo on him when he boarded and exited that aircraft.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:14 pm to
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This quote from the FBI says the exact opposite:

"We originally thought Cooper was an experienced jumper, perhaps even a paratrooper," said Special Agent Larry Carr, leader of the investigative team from 2006 until its dissolution in 2016. "We concluded after a few years this was simply not true. No experienced parachutist would have jumped in the pitch-black night, in the rain, with a 200-mile-an-hour wind in his face, wearing loafers and a trench coat. It was simply too risky. He also missed that his reserve 'chute was only for training, and had been sewn shut—something a skilled skydiver would have checked."[94] He also failed to bring or request a helmet,[113] chose to jump with the older and technically inferior of the two primary parachutes supplied to him,[49] and jumped into a -70 °F (-57 °C) wind chill without proper protection against the extreme cold.[114]


The FBI is so full of shite on so many levels with that claim.

I know a few hundred SERE and Recondo school grads from the old school days who are laughing at the FBI ... who, btw, hates that this case was on their books as long as it was.

And FWIW there have been two similar jumps made over the years just to prove that it was a survivable jump.

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The chances of him surviving the jump were so slim. No sane person would jump into a storm like that, at that speed, and in pitch black. He also didn't have a viable reserve chute: it was sewn shut and was only for training. Add in the fact that some of the bills were found scattered about and I think Mr. Cooper died.


The reserve was inconsequential. It was a T-10 belly reserve and, if I remember correctly, he belly strapped the bag of money so all he cared about was using the belly reserve as a shield to keep the tree branches from skewing him if he was forced into a tree landing. And the helmet and shoes were inconsequential as well in the overall scheme of things.

BTW ... about that sewn-up belly reserve. Who sews-up a belly reserve for training purposes? For what? 34' tower? The fair towers? Sport school? You don't see them up you pack them with spring loaded dummy rigs so the candidate can practice the pull in various scenarios - but in all my years, and my first jump was as a kid in the 60s with my older brother, I can never remember a seen shut training reserve. And believe me, I've heard of mains and reserves both being packed with all sorts of practical joker motivated stuff ... but I've never seen or heard of one sewn shut. It would defeat so many purposes I wouldn't know where to start trying to explain it.
Posted by LSU Jax
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:50 pm to
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Andy Dufresne



Hell yeah!!! LOVE that dude.
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