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Need some more OT Vet help

Posted on 10/8/19 at 9:55 am
Posted by nugget
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 9:55 am
I have a 7 year old Shih Tzu that has calcium bladder stones. He has had these twice before and they have been surgically removed both times before. He's done well with the surgeries but I hate having him cut open so often. The vet put him on The Hills C/D urinary diet but it seems that it hasn't helped. He had the first surgery 3 years ago and the second one in January of this year. It seems like it's getting worse.

Are there any alternate solutions to this? Should I take him to get a second opinion?
Posted by WPBTiger
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 10:05 am to
Wrong board.
Posted by LSUJML
BR
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 10:21 am to
Where are you?

For specialty issues I highly recommend going to LSU
It’s about 100.00 for a consult & they will tell you costs upfront of any tests or procedures.
We have done this for a couple of our dogs we wanted 2nd opinions on.

There are other brands of Rx food if you wanted to try that too
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 10:23 am to
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The vet put him on The Hills C/D urinary diet but it seems that it hasn't helped.


Why am I not surprised.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 10:29 am to
Go see a specialist at MedVet if you are willing to shell out. The alternative is a bit darker.
Posted by LSUMaverick
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 10:30 am to
LSU Vet or Sherwood South Animal Hospital if you are around BR
Posted by nugget
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 10:34 am to
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There are other brands of Rx food if you wanted to try that too


I’m switching him to the royal canine SO
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 10:45 am to
our small dog had a calcium oxylate stone in his bladder about 5 years ago which required surgery to remove. our vet put him on science diet but we weren't happy with the ingredients, etc so we started making his food. we've done that ever since and he also takes urocit-k once a day. no stones...knock on wood
Posted by Higgysmalls
Ft Lauderdale
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 10:49 am to
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Sherwood South Animal Hospital
best vet in BR area, but make sure you bring your big wallet.
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 10:50 am
Posted by nugget
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 11:07 am to
Would you mind telling me what his new diet consists of?
Posted by LSUJML
BR
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 11:13 am to
gmrkr5 may have a better suggestion but we boil chicken, frozen green beans & sweet potatoes & mix with rice
For 3 dogs a batch lasts around 3 days
This has made a huge difference in our Beagles sensitive stomach issues
Posted by nugget
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 11:18 am to
I feel like if I get the stones removed, I should go to an all natural diet. I just hope that doesn't cause them any issues.
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 11:40 am to
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Would you mind telling me what his new diet consists of?



sirloin, ground turkey, frozen peas, broccoli, salmon, rice, and a little cottage cheese. the wife makes about 10 days worth in an hour. we just freeze it and take containers out to thaw in advance.

I could get more specific with portions if you are really interested.

the dog loves it and it appears to keep him healthy.
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 11:41 am
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 11:42 am to
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I just hope that doesn't cause them any issues.



you should. the last thing feeding him real food is going to do is cause issues...

as long as it is a balanced diet
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 11:49 am
Posted by LSUJML
BR
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 11:43 am to
Your dogs food sounds way better than ours

May try adding other veggies slowly & see how ours like it

Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 11:50 am to
quote:

Your dogs food sounds way better than ours May try adding other veggies slowly & see how ours like it


yea we probably go a little overboard lol

if we didn't have just 1 small dog it would be a bit more challenging to make that recipe
Posted by OnTheGeaux
Har Tavor
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 11:53 am to
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we started making his food


Same here... at least supplementing half.

One of our 4 large dogs developed struvite stones that required surgery. Pretty rough for 8 y/o dog. Prescription dog food was recommended by our country Vet as well. However, we said "no" to the prescribed dog food after doing some research and started making our own for all 4 large dogs. Increase hydration, higher acidic food intake. Two different recipes for the two different meals they get a day.

Breakfast (per dog):
1/2 of their normal dry kibble, 1/2 a can of tuna in spring water, 1/2 egg (beaten), small dollop of plain yogurt, tablespoon of various berries, tablespoon of organic hempseeds. Moisten mixture with distilled water and serve.

Supper (per dog):
1/2 of their normal dry kibble, 1 cup of stew. Moisten mixture with distilled water and serve.

Stew (large batch recipe, last one week for 4 big dogs 80+ lbs each):

-Remove meat from store bought rotisserie chicken ($4.95) and boil carcus for 20 minutes in large stock pot with 16 cups of distilled water.

-Remove carcus from broth and pick remaining meat, discard carcus.

-Add 2 lbs of cooked/smoked ham to broth, we normally use frozen scrap ham leftovers from holidays (Easter, Christmas, etc.). Boil for 15 minutes. Add 24 ounces of frozen mixed vegetables (corn, green beans, and peas). Add 2 or 3 sliced yellow crooked-neck/summer squash. Add two cans of diced tomatoes. Bring mixture to a low boil and cook for 45 minutes.

-Add chopped/pulled rotisserie chicken from before, bring to boil. Add 2 cups of rice and boil until done. Let cool and refrigerate.

This batch of stew lasts one week in our home. After one week of refridgeration, the batch would probably start to turn bad. If you have small dogs or pack, divide the cooked recipe into weekly portions and freeze.
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 2:09 pm
Posted by nugget
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 11:55 am to
I’ve been researching for the last couple hours and it looks like about 12 ozs per day If they’re 13#s. I’ll start with that and go from there.

Now I run into the question of should I see if this dissolves the crystals or open him up and start fresh. I’ve been reading online for the last few hours and it seems like some people are actually experiencing calcium crystals dissolve once the diet is changed. I’m also going to also get them on distilled water as opposed to the well water I’m on now
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
14891 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:06 pm to
quote:

Now I run into the question of should I see if this dissolves the crystals or open him up and start fresh. I’ve been reading online for the last few hours and it seems like some people are actually experiencing calcium crystals dissolve once the diet is changed. I’m also going to also get them on distilled water as opposed to the well water I’m on now



depends on the stone. from what i recall calcium struvite stones can dissolve and calcium oxylate cannot. our dog had oxylate
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:22 pm to
Would catheters help? Maybe one you change monthly?
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