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re: Need some more OT Vet help

Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:25 pm to
Posted by nugget
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:25 pm to
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calcium oxylate


It's oxylate, but they're very small and they could possibly pass

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Would catheters help? Maybe one you change monthly?

I'm not sure, and my vet is more interested in selling me expensive dog food than fixing my dog.
Posted by tilco
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:45 pm to
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I'm not sure, and my vet is more interested in selling me expensive dog food than fixing my dog.


It may not be the best treatment but I promise you Your vet isn’t making shite selling you that expensive dog food.
Posted by nugget
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:19 pm to
Maybe not but his 3rd 1000 surgery is probably pretty profitable
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:31 pm to
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It's oxylate, but they're very small and they could possibly pass


if they are that small then it may be worth changing diet and monitoring the existing stones to see if they grow or pass. as long as he isnt in pain or at risk of blockage
Posted by purpgoldblood
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:35 pm to
So the truth is that some times prescription diets such as SO or CD will prevent the recurrence of Ca Oxalate stones and some times nothing will prevent the recurrence of Ca Oxalate stones
Your vet has not done anything different than what LSU or med vet or Sherwood would do, you just have a difficult case
My advice is if you are willing to prepare a home cooked diet as it sounds like you are considering, UC Davis vet school has a nutrition service that will help you design a home cooked diet that is appropriate for your dog- optimal pH and avoidance of components that may contribute to Ca Oxalate formation. They may want to see recent lab work and need some other details but trust me many of the diets rec’d on the internet are not to be trusted and could make the situation worse. Your vet would likely be happy to help facilitate you working w UC Davis
But honestly when it comes to Ca Oxalate stones some times nothing will prevent recurrence
Good luck
Posted by purpgoldblood
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:41 pm to
And increased fluid intake helps as much as anything
One of the reasons home cooked diets help is they tend to have a higher fluid content
Posted by gmrkr5
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:42 pm to
all of that is true regarding possible re-occurrence.. sometimes they just get them. regarding the diet, it should obviously consist of only low oxylate ingredients. organ meat (liver) and certain vegetables are very high in oxylate. there are lists all over the internet so not hard to determine what is safe.
Posted by purpgoldblood
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:48 pm to
It is not hard to determine what is safe but is harder to determine what will be effective
Some dogs never have recurrence and other dogs are a real challenge
And there are likely good recipes online but there are also likely bad ones so proceed w caution
Vets often don’t start by recommending home cooked diets bc most clients don’t have the time or dedication to pull it off hence why almost all vets including referral centers start w prescription diets such as SO or CD
Posted by nugget
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:58 pm to
Thank you, gents. I have my second opinion in the morning and will see what the second doc things about a natural diet. I’ve went down the rabbit hole this morning regarding CAOX diets and think I how found some effective ones.
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