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re: Navy admits UFO videos are real
Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:33 pm to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:33 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:That's what is most likely. The remade videos using planes look extremely similar. When I don't know something, I'm not apt to jump to the most fantastical conclusion. Again, the Navy didn't call this alien craft.
It doesn't mean the objects in the videos are also airplanes.
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:33 pm to Jake88
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Who in the Navy is acknowledging it? Some guy named Grandishear, I think. Who is he?
He's the spokesperson for the 2nd highest ranking official in the Navy.
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Joseph Gradisher, official spokesperson for the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Information Warfare
What's kind of funny is that your logical, debunking position feels a bit like a conspiracy theory. For you to be right an improbably large number of people have to be incompetent and/or outright lying/conspiring.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:35 pm to TigerinATL
I don't view it as conspiracy. I believe they simply don't know but it can be explained eventually as non-alien phenomena.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:41 pm to GAFF
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Perhaps to see how effective the new tech was in real world scenarios as well as to gauge our pilots and ships responses? Or it could have been a trial to see how effective the recon of the new tech was and the pilots engaged when the new tech was unsuccessful.
why keep it a secret from the Naval pilots. They were allegedly buzzing around a carrier battle group for months following them all the way to Syria to conduct tests of some new system. How stupid would it be to not inform the pilots or any crew of it.That just doesnt make any sense.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:41 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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So I guess this is settled. After all the UFO BS stuff over the years and all the suggestions our government was hiding this from us, we find out indeed there are aliens among us.
No wonder so many people believe aliens are among us. They can't understand English. The video is real, nobody, at least nobody sane, said the video shows aliens. But wait for the argument to ignorance . . .
Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:47 pm to Jake88
Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:47 pm to ThuperThumpin
quote:What makes less sense is aliens who have travelled light-years to get here with their incomprehensible technology doing the same.
They were allegedly buzzing around a carrier battle group for months following them all the way to Syria to conduct tests of some new system. How stupid would it be to not inform the pilots or any crew of it.That just doesnt make any sense
Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:51 pm to GAFF
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Perhaps to see how effective the new tech was in real world scenarios as well as to gauge our pilots and ships responses? Or it could have been a trial to see how effective the recon of the new tech was and the pilots engaged when the new tech was unsuccessful.
During my time in Europe we had excercises where multi-nation aircraft would attack our base simulating Soviet a/c attacks. For a few of these our defensive radars would alert to incoming a/c only to have the a/c disappear off of the scopes. Years later I found out that it was U.S. A-7's that had been converted to carry some of the ECM and stealth equipment utilized by the Stealth Fighter (F-117). Of course ALL of these attacks were at night , so it is very conceivable that some of the attacks were actually F-117's that had been flown over in C-5's to run these mock attack scenarios without anyone knowing, in order to put the weapons system up against real-world radar defenses to see how the Stealth tech really performed.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:56 pm to TigerFanatic99
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If we are to assume those three videos are authentic, I don't see how anyone isn't uncomfortable with what is unknown.
the pilots responses made me uncomfortable to say the least
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:00 am to BiggerBear
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No wonder so many people believe aliens are among us. They can't understand English. The video is real, nobody, at least nobody sane, said the video shows aliens. But wait for the argument to ignorance . . .
You're right. I haven't dug into all this nonsense. I don't believe we have aliens and out of this world spacecraft or aircraft flying circles around our navy. Intuitively I don't think this is the United States with far advanced technology. I just don't buy it.
By the way it's late and this subject is being talked about on a Tucker Carlson rerun right now. The expert thinks it is a terrible out of this world technology that our government refuses to tell us about. For 50 years they've not told us.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:06 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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For 50 years they've not told us.
It would seem to me there would be too many people in the know to keep it a secret by now. Personally I don't think the government has proof of aliens on earth. Just proof of UFO's.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:06 am to Jake88
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I don't view it as conspiracy.
I'm saying in this instance the simple case is the one where all the evidence seems stacked against it. Normally part of debunking a conspiracy theory is pointing out "for you to be right you have to believe all of these improbable things". For you to be right a lot of people and evidence has to be wrong or lying.
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it can be explained eventually as non-alien phenomena.
Why does it have to be alien phenomena? It's been 80 years since the Manhattan Project began. Since then the military industrial complex has only grown. Why can't spending all of that money have produced some sort of technological leap like a gravity based propulsion system?
In fact the Navy was recently granted a patent for
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A craft using an inertial mass reduction device comprises of an inner resonant cavity wall, an outer resonant cavity, and microwave emitters. The electrically charged outer resonant cavity wall and the electrically insulated inner resonant cavity wall form a resonant cavity. The microwave emitters create high frequency electromagnetic waves throughout the resonant cavity causing the resonant cavity to vibrate in an accelerated mode and create a local polarized vacuum outside the outer resonant cavity wall.
LINK
Here's an article breaking down the patent
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Military inventors filed plans for a highly unusual flying machine which uses an ‘inertial mass reduction device’ to travel at ‘extreme speeds’.
What that means is that the aircraft uses complex technology to reduce its mass and thereby lessen inertia (an object’s resistance to motion) so it can zoom along at high velocities.
The patent is highly complex and describes methods of reducing the mass of an aircraft using various techniques including the generation of gravity waves, which were first detected in 2016 after being produced when two black holes collided.
LINK
There are more diagrams of the craft at both links
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:33 am to Jake88
quote:The maneuvers and speed changes that these pilots were reporting cannot be duplicated by "planes."
I don't view it as conspiracy. I believe they simply don't know but it can be explained eventually as non-alien phenomena.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:55 am to Jake88
quote:I understand that, but you are ignoring the other pieces of evidence of it being something other than an airplane.
When I don't know something, I'm not apt to jump to the most fantastical conclusion. Again, the Navy didn't call this alien craft.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 12:56 am
Posted on 9/18/19 at 6:49 am to TigerinATL
quote:It doesn't. I only mention that because that's what 90% of people who read these reports are going to conclude.
Why does it have to be alien phenomena?
Posted on 9/18/19 at 6:51 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:What evidence? I asked if the film showed these incredible speeds?
I understand that, but you are ignoring the other pieces of evidence of it being something other than an airplane.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:08 am to Jake88
quote:The fact that these things had been showing up on radar and the pilots were sent to check it out. The fact that the pilots saw the objects with their own eyes. And the fact that they saw it speed away in a second.
What evidence?
They saw with their eyes that it wasn’t an airplane, and they saw the way it moved which doesn’t fit the characteristics of any airplane they know of.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:12 am to PrimeTime Money
So what is it?
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:16 am to Jake88
Nobody knows. That’s why it’s “unidentified”. But they aren’t airplanes. Here’s a minute and a half video with one of the pilots from one of the infrared videos describing the object that another pilot almost hit:
https://youtu.be/HbIUXfavgow
https://youtu.be/HbIUXfavgow
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 8:17 am
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:18 am to Jake88
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kook who donated significant money to Harry Reid...
That “kook” is helping build space infrastructure in the white world (white= mainstream)
https://www.extraordinarybeliefs.com/news-2/2017/5/29/bigelow-60-minutes
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ROBERT BIGELOW + 60 MINUTES INTERVIEW May 28, 2017
Robert Bigelow is the billionaire who quietly and privately funneled money into researching the UFO problem for over two decades. He was the owner of Skinwalker Ranch that allowed you to know about it. Now focused on human spaceflight and habitation of other worlds, he was featured in an interview on 60 Minutes that aired on television tonight. He talked about Bigelow Aerospace, and the tremendous achievements it has made. The reporter also asked him about his private interests regarding UFOs. Strong words. What do you think?
Lara Logan: Do you believe in aliens?
Robert Bigelow: Mr. Bigelow: I’m absolutely convinced. That’s all there is to it.
Lara Logan: Do you also believe that UFOs have come to Earth?
Robert Bigelow: There has been, and is an existing presence; an ET presence. And I've spent millions and millions - I've probably spent more as an individual, than anybody else in the Unites States has ever spent on this subject.
Lara Logan: Is it risky for you to say in public that you believe in UFOs and aliens? Robert Bigelow: I don’t give a damn. I don’t care.
Lara Logan: You don’t worry that some people will say, "Did you hear that guy, he sounds like he’s crazy?"
Robert Bigelow: I don’t care.
Lara Logan: Why not?
Robert Bigelow: It’s not gonna make a difference. It’s not going to change reality, of what I know.
Lara Logan: Do you imagine that in our space travels that we will encounter other forms of intelligent life? You don’t have to go anywhere.
Lara Logan: You can find it here?
Robert Bigelow: Yeah.
Lara Logan: Where exactly?
Robert Bigelow: It’s just like right under people’s noses
He is only a kook if you start from a position of “it cannot be real because it is impossible”
The answer transcends material reality, hence a materialist will never be able to “prove it”. The materialist will conclude that it subsequently is a trick/scam
The answers involve very uncomfortable areas for some:
Non-local consciousness (think spirit/soul) and manipulation thereof (folks on psychadelics report seeing/communicating with entities)
Interdimensional phenomena (beyond what materialism can detect)
Potential cryptoterrestrials
Paranormal phenomena clustering with “sightings”
These things have presented themselves differently to humanity at different stages of our development (angels, demons, fairies, jin, and more recently as craft in the sky as we progressed into a technology based society)
Some feel that these things are control systems/admins of sort...
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 8:28 am
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