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Posted by Tusksup
Sheridan, AR
Member since Feb 2023
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Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:47 am to
Hoodrats killing one another over a drug deal does not count as a mass shooting to most americans.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465216 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:47 am to
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Why all the dancing around ? Why not just say what you want to say, pussy ?

People in the lower class mindset are more prone to violent behavior and represent a disproportionate amount of violent crimes in the US, per capita. Pretty much any social pathology that you can think of can replace "are more prone to violent behavior" and it would fit.

Rejection of education
Obesity
Single parent families
Drug use
Smoking
Alcohol abuse
Reliance on social benefits

etc.

It's not a white thing or a black thing or anything to do with race. It's a culture and a mindset.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465216 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:48 am to
quote:

There are plenty restrictions on gun
Ownership now that aren’t illegal and are pretty well accepted by gun owners.

Sure

The people in here are arguing for more.

That "more" is illegal
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179177 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:49 am to
quote:

He is looking for a reason to call you a racist.




I know but statistics aren't racist.

One group overwhelmingly commits a large percentage of all violent crimes. It's not due to guns but is obviously a cultural issue.

That culture might never exist if it weren't for the welfare state we have in this country.

Those that want to ban guns and use other countries as examples never look and compare the cultural differences.
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
5010 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:49 am to
quote:

You should already know the truth, admit it to yourself and things can get better. If you need me to tell you the truth, you are part of the problem and you should take yourself out.




This is a (mostly) anonymous message board .

If you have a firm belief , a conviction about something- then i dont understand all the pussyfooting around in this thread .. Let’s all just be honest with each other .
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465216 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:49 am to
quote:

Hoodrats killing one another over a drug deal does not count as a mass shooting to most americans.

The people who define "mass shooting" in this way are definitely using Sophistry.

They define it in such a way to include urban-gang crimes, but then put the focus on more affluent threats in areas where crime is less prevalent, but then pretend like they're not just calling out lower SES-urban youths. It's quite the feat that plenty of idiots parrot without thinking.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294837 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:50 am to
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You think this mentally ill freak wants the guns removed from the actual criminals? No. Read his posts.


That's all these leftist know. Ban shite.

Progressives banned alcohol, didn't work. There are 450 million guns in this country, "Banning" will create a more violent, black market for firearms.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179177 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:51 am to
quote:

It's not a white thing or a black thing or anything to do with race. It's a culture and a mindset.



Yes, this is true in relation to your post and many examples but from a purely statistical POV when related to crime, it is an overwhelmingly black male thing.
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
5010 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:51 am to
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If welfare were never a thing, then ghettos and gangs would never have come into existence, and crime statistics, where 6% of the population (black males) create almost 50% of all crime would be drastically different. Is that what you are looking for?




You arent the poster i quoted who said there was an “obvious cure”.


I dont understand why we cant all just say what we mean here .
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
17613 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:52 am to
quote:

It's the progressive way. Reactive instead of proactive and take the quickest shortcut they can that doesn't do anything to solve the actual problem other than make them feel good because now they have more control over the general public.



Yes, it's treating symptoms not the illness. It's like taking a cough drop for the flu. Might sooth your sore throat and make you feel better temporarily but does nothing to abate the illness.

And one can rant like say Steve Kerr did and get pats on the back for your bravery for championing something that has little or no effect on stopping these terrible things that happen and never will.

If bad people want to kill they will find a way. Waiting periods and restrictions on whatever weapons you want to restrict....that ain't stopping it.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
55424 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:53 am to
quote:

f you have a firm belief , a conviction about something- then i dont understand all the pussyfooting around in this thread .. Let’s all just be honest with each other .


Please don't engage this idiot either.

Like BowlJackson, there is no logical conversations to be had with people who just want a "gotcha" so they can label political enemies.

Just ignore idiots like this.
Posted by hojo
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2005
1366 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:54 am to
quote:

Imagine a white male teen showed up at a party in the suburbs and shot 30 people? I


Now imagine the press response if a white male teen showed up at an urban party and shot 30 black people.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465216 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:54 am to
quote:

but from a purely statistical POV when related to crime, it is an overwhelmingly black male thing.

Sure but there are historical issues at play, there, explaining why a higher portion of the population is subject to the LCM.

There are other esoteric issues, as well. Rural people of the lower class mindset are less likely to resort to gun violence because they live in extremely less dense areas. It just so happens that urbanity is more common with black people of the LCM, which increases the likelihood of particular forms of violence.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23310 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:55 am to
Not to get back on track, but it appears the police gave an update at 8:30am :

“The Alabama Law Enforcement Agency confirmed in a statement just before 8:30 a.m. that at least four people were killed in the Dadeville mass shooting.“
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
133156 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:55 am to




See, the OP makes it seem like someone shot up a small child's birthday party and a lot of children got killed.




What really happened seems to be there was some party late at night and then some hoodrats were beefing and decided to shoot it up, likely with stolen weapons.


The beef probably originated from some "diss" on social media".


Since it doesn't fit the media's agenda, it will be largely ignored and buried within a week.
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
5010 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:55 am to
quote:

People in the lower class mindset are more prone to violent behavior and represent a disproportionate amount of violent crimes in the US, per capita. Pretty much any social pathology that you can think of can replace "are more prone to violent behavior" and it would fit. Rejection of education Obesity Single parent families Drug use Smoking Alcohol abuse Reliance on social benefits etc. It's not a white thing or a black thing or anything to do with race. It's a culture and a mindset.




Agreed, 100% .


You’re right, you cannot argue with statistics…. I think you are dead-on.. but im still genuinely confused about what this other poster’s “obvious cure” is for all the problems and statistics you quoted.. i honestly want to know what this so obvious cure is, that it’s gonna solve all the problems (legit problematic stats) you quoted in ur post .
Posted by bigberg2000
houston, from chalmette
Member since Sep 2005
70551 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:57 am to
quote:

Sure but there are historical issues at play, there, explaining why a higher portion of the population is subject to the LCM. There are other esoteric issues, as well. Rural people of the lower class mindset are less likely to resort to gun violence because they live in extremely less dense areas. It just so happens that urbanity is more common with black people of the LCM, which increases the likelihood of particular forms of violence.


Agreed.
Posted by OldHickory
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2012
10769 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:57 am to
Everything you love about Dadeville is because of Birmingham people.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50024 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 8:57 am to
quote:

This is incorrect. The M16A2 came with the semi, burst and FA, the M4 was the next version with semi, burst and FA, then the M4A1 came out around 2012 with semi and FA only.

I know what my rifle shot. It certainly wasn’t no fricking full auto and I was 11B.

I’m willing to bet only special ops have full auto and even they don’t need it. They can make their guns sing in harmony in controlled pairs.

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