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re: my beef with adhd kids
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:34 am to bigpetedatiga
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:34 am to bigpetedatiga
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but some kids really do need it.
The kids are fine (maybe 1 in 1000 who is on medication actually needs it - maybe) - our educational system has not kept up with the realities and sensory overload that is dumped on children whose brains are still developing.
When you consider this - the average child has been exposed to more images, sounds, data, information, etc., than an elderly person was just 100 or so years ago - back then, the average person never traveled more than 10 to 15 miles from where they were born - unless there was a war or natural disaster.
Know anybody like that now? The industrial revoluation era educational system served us well, but it is probably time for a change.
And "Common Core" ain't it.
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Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:34 am to bigpetedatiga
All every parent wants is the best for their kids. You can't fault them for that.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:35 am to NOX
Here's my story:
I could not focus on 1 thing to save my life when I was a kid... my mind was always running everywhere. Adderall had just started becoming big (I believe it was still patented actually) so I was recommended it by a few teachers. The first day I took it and went home after school my parents got a call from 2 of my teachers saying that today they noticed an immense change in my behavior and work ethic and wondered what had happened. My grades skyrocketed. Also my handwriting got really really good. I was able to think clearly for the first time and I felt on top of the world. It was odd.
Problem was, back then, I didn't eat for shite. I'd go whole days without eating one thing and had no appetite. Also it made me extremely quiet which is unusual since I'm very outgoing. I've been on/off of it for years and I'm actually on it right now as I write this.
Here's the trick that I learned: When you take it you focus intensely on whatever you're doing and you DON'T want to do anything but that. For example, I'll be working on a spreadsheet and am so focused that I don't even want to see an email about working on another project. If I'm playing a video game I don't want to do anything but play. If I'm cleaning I just want to clean. Once you realize this, you can teach yourself to pull out of that feeling and learn to multitask. So now when I take this magical little pill I still have my personality, I can still multitask, and I feel great.
With that being said, I've never felt the need to take it. First 8 months of my new job I got promoted twice without it. Now that I'm on it again I just feel like everything is so clear and I'm able to accomplish anything. I'm 22 years old and I just pumped out a spreadsheet that is completely VGA and macro heavy (almost 20 pages) in 2 weeks. It took an engineer 6 months to do it but mine is 200% more customizable and so easy a dummy could use it. I didn't know how to work VGA 2 weeks ago. I think it's a great drug, just gotta learn how to control it.
I could not focus on 1 thing to save my life when I was a kid... my mind was always running everywhere. Adderall had just started becoming big (I believe it was still patented actually) so I was recommended it by a few teachers. The first day I took it and went home after school my parents got a call from 2 of my teachers saying that today they noticed an immense change in my behavior and work ethic and wondered what had happened. My grades skyrocketed. Also my handwriting got really really good. I was able to think clearly for the first time and I felt on top of the world. It was odd.
Problem was, back then, I didn't eat for shite. I'd go whole days without eating one thing and had no appetite. Also it made me extremely quiet which is unusual since I'm very outgoing. I've been on/off of it for years and I'm actually on it right now as I write this.
Here's the trick that I learned: When you take it you focus intensely on whatever you're doing and you DON'T want to do anything but that. For example, I'll be working on a spreadsheet and am so focused that I don't even want to see an email about working on another project. If I'm playing a video game I don't want to do anything but play. If I'm cleaning I just want to clean. Once you realize this, you can teach yourself to pull out of that feeling and learn to multitask. So now when I take this magical little pill I still have my personality, I can still multitask, and I feel great.
With that being said, I've never felt the need to take it. First 8 months of my new job I got promoted twice without it. Now that I'm on it again I just feel like everything is so clear and I'm able to accomplish anything. I'm 22 years old and I just pumped out a spreadsheet that is completely VGA and macro heavy (almost 20 pages) in 2 weeks. It took an engineer 6 months to do it but mine is 200% more customizable and so easy a dummy could use it. I didn't know how to work VGA 2 weeks ago. I think it's a great drug, just gotta learn how to control it.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:36 am to Ace Midnight
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The kids are fine (maybe 1 in 1000 who is on medication actually needs it - maybe) - our educational system has not kept up with the realities and sensory overload that is dumped on children whose brains are still developing.
I do agree with this though. It's way over diagnosed.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:36 am to Aubs10
Another downside is that I do see some zombies from time to time :-(
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:37 am to Sir Drinksalot
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Because you want your kid to do the best; the difference between cs and a's could mean entrance to the HS or college of your choice. Also the behavior infractions matter when applying to HS.
You are defining "the best" as getting into a great college (I assume to get some high powered degree and a job that makes you a lot of money).
That may not be the best path for a person who needs medication to do well in middle school.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:38 am to Sir Drinksalot
Overdiagnosed, but plenty of kids actually need it. They shouldnt be zombies on it. They should be more productive and ultimately happier. If not, it's not right for them.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:38 am to Sir Drinksalot
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Because you want your kid to do the best; the difference between cs and a's could mean entrance to the HS or college of your choice. Also the behavior infractions matter when applying to HS.
medication would the absolute last route
I mean absolute last
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:39 am to BigEdLSU
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the school is now recommending the "ADHD zombie patch"
The school shouldn't be recommending anything to you. However, what they should be doing is stop making excuses and take a look at their teaching practices.
I work with students and the number of ADD/ADHD diagnoses is astonishing. I estimate that maybe 10% of those students actually have ADD/ADHD to the point where it impacts their ability to learn in any environment.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:39 am to VaBamaMan
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In my experience, those with actual chemical imbalances creating ADHD get angrier, quicker and easier, than normal kids. Not only that, things I have done personally, and seen others do, have led me to believe that those with the aforementioned imbalance receive a larger dose of adrenaline when angry.
This is absolutely true. I have to keep myself in check just about every single day if I'm not on my meds. Really is crazy how a person can just snap with the actual disease.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:41 am to BigEdLSU
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If my son has a chemical imbalance, then God made him that way and I refuse to medicate a change.
what if God made your kid have cancer? I don't follow your logic.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:41 am to uway
Idk. These kids sometimes think in fast forward. They are quick thinkers and extremely quick to come to conclusions. These are admirable traits in certain high paying professions. They also think outside of the box.
Normal kids don't always function like that. When focused, add kids have an advantage that could r capitalized on.
(I'm not saying they are all like that)
Normal kids don't always function like that. When focused, add kids have an advantage that could r capitalized on.
(I'm not saying they are all like that)
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:43 am to Aubs10
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Problem was, back then, I didn't eat for shite. I'd go whole days without eating one thing and had no appetite. Also it made me extremely quiet which is unusual since I'm very outgoing. I've been on/off of it for years and I'm actually on it right now as I write this.
Boy, does this sound familiar. Every word describes me.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:44 am to Salmon
Yep, and for many it IS the last route. I'm just saying don't judge. I'm not a doctor, but there is something significantly different with a portion of school aged kids, that no beating will correct. And when you have been through every other option and you KNOW your kid could get a's, it's hard to reason not to give them the meds.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:45 am to BigEdLSU
I couldn't agree more. My oldest has adhd and was given Focalin for a few years. He was definitely different on it. I didn't like it, but believed that was the only way at the time. In 5th grade, he asked to stop taking it because it made his heart beat irregularly. We had a discussion about him needing to work on controlling his impulses more without the medicine and then gave it a try. He's never been on it again. And he's in honors classes. Now, he can get all riled up at home at times, but he does well in school.
I was diagnosed with it in nursing school. It makes complete sense for me. I'm impulsive, too, and always have been. I have trouble sitting still. But, it wasn't a thing when I was growing up. And I did well in school. I knew if I didn't control myself at school, my parents would have my arse at home. A lot of it is knowing you have some issues and learning to control them. Not everyone needs medicine and I'd even say very few do.
Also, it's completely illegal for the school to suggest medication. They can suggest an evaluation by a physician, but not encourage you to medicate your child. Ask them where they got their MD. Usually shuts them up.
I was diagnosed with it in nursing school. It makes complete sense for me. I'm impulsive, too, and always have been. I have trouble sitting still. But, it wasn't a thing when I was growing up. And I did well in school. I knew if I didn't control myself at school, my parents would have my arse at home. A lot of it is knowing you have some issues and learning to control them. Not everyone needs medicine and I'd even say very few do.
Also, it's completely illegal for the school to suggest medication. They can suggest an evaluation by a physician, but not encourage you to medicate your child. Ask them where they got their MD. Usually shuts them up.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:45 am to Sir Drinksalot
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Yep, and for many it IS the last route.
maybe
but in my experience, its just the easiest option and changes their kids personalities
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:47 am to uway
Do you know what it takes to get into lsu? A 3.0 gpa. Ain't happening for an add kid with no meds.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:49 am to Salmon
You are right. I wouldn't put my kid on it if he it she was acting up and getting b's. But for some kids it can mean a shift in lifelong potential.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:49 am to Ace Midnight
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(maybe 1 in 1000 who is on medication actually needs it - maybe)
No, it is a lot more then that. I truly feel that it is way over diagnosed, but that doesn't mean that every diagnosis isn't accurate.
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When you consider this - the average child has been exposed to more images, sounds, data, information, etc., than an elderly person was just 100 or so years ago
This is true, but it creates a whole new world of problems.
A lot of this falls on parents. Of course kids are going to have a hard time focusing in school if they are allowed to veg out all day in front of tablets and television.
I think that a lot of this medication crap would go away if more parents would get hands on with their kids and actually give them some direction.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:51 am to stout
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I still wonder if things had been different had I been diagnosed as a teen or child.
This. I was diagnosed as a teen. My parents refused meds and I managed to get a bachelors degree, in 8 years. I came to a point in my professional career that I realized I needed to do something. I have been on Adderall XR for 4 years, now. I can't express how my career has taken off since then. I was always intelligent, but had no way to focus my efforts.
My 12 year old has been on Vivanse for 2-3 years now. When a child with a documented IQ of 140+ is making C and D grades, and you believe as a parent something will help him (it has), you HAVE to do something.
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