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re: Murderers in the US now stand a 50% chance of getting away with it
Posted on 2/28/23 at 10:33 am to shspanthers
Posted on 2/28/23 at 10:33 am to shspanthers
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 10:43 am to member12
Hopefully its a sign that its harder to railroad someone into prison for a crime they didn't commit than it was in the past. Probably not but clearance rates have little to do with an individual getting away with murder because there has always been way too may people in prison for crimes they didn't commit.
More likely the low clearance rate is caused by the same thing as the higher crime rates...law enforcement agencies, in an existential crisis of their own imagination and brought on by their own actions are actually making crime reports and providing the public with more accurate information lest the public take the defund movement serious than they did back in the day when under reporting crimes and closing 20 cases when you get a conviction in one was all it took to ensure funding. Crime may be up, it may be down, it may be level....who knows? The people whose livliehood is based on crime stats are the only ones privy to the information so it is entirely possible that they fudge them depending on need annually.
More likely the low clearance rate is caused by the same thing as the higher crime rates...law enforcement agencies, in an existential crisis of their own imagination and brought on by their own actions are actually making crime reports and providing the public with more accurate information lest the public take the defund movement serious than they did back in the day when under reporting crimes and closing 20 cases when you get a conviction in one was all it took to ensure funding. Crime may be up, it may be down, it may be level....who knows? The people whose livliehood is based on crime stats are the only ones privy to the information so it is entirely possible that they fudge them depending on need annually.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 10:50 am to tigerpimpbot
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Defund the po-leese
Said in jest I am certain but there are few government agencies and zero private sector organizations who would exist long if they were as bad at doing their job as law enforcement is at doing theirs and this has been true since Marshal Dillon and Andy Taylor were in the bidness.
Right off the bat the closure rate is a failing of what the police should be doing and that is preventing crimes, especially in murder cases where there is for certain a victim who paid the ultimate price for the failings of the police to prevent a crime. Expecting them to actually prevent crimes and make the nation safer is a bridge too far so we base their success on arrests which should mean a crime took place and therefore a victim suffered somehow. Then we allow them to tell us what a fine job they are doing and even when they report the job they have done is historically bad way too many of us side with the failing police. It beats all I ever slept with how the police are beyond questioning to so many people in this country....and those same people will whine about losing basic freedoms while allowing the one organization in the nation which directly impacts freedom of individuals any leeway that organization deems necessary to do a lousy job.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 10:53 am to Who_Dat_Tiger
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Over 90% solved rate in 1965. But I thought it was the Wild West back then before the Dems took control of all metro areas?
Do some research into 90% clearance rates and you will find that they convict someone of one or two crimes and close 10 and 20 times that many based on that conviction even when the convicted person was never a suspect in those crimes. They did this because no one paid attention and they could claim an impressive closure rate without any regard as to how they were gaining convictions and how they were closing cases completely unrelated to said convictions. There is more transparency today and it prevents this to some extent....
Posted on 2/28/23 at 10:54 am to Who_Dat_Tiger
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Over 90% solved rate in 1965
90% is easy to get to if you don't care about arresting the right person.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 10:56 am to Ping Pong
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you would think the advancements in video surveillance and forensic science would have decreased the number of unsolved murders, but no one seems to want to crack down on the violent gangs responsible for most murders in America.
The people most likely to possess the political will to crack down on the violence committed by gangs are the police. The odds of a black or brown person murderer being convicted is far less than the murderer of a white person in this country. It is no secret where the crime is committed and who is committing it but the police spend most of their time in those areas harassing people and treating everyone like a suspect and then have the audacity to complain when those same people are hesitant to be helpful to the police.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 10:57 am to Bonkers119
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90% is easy to get to if you don't care about arresting the right person.
Its so cool how we can throw that out with little to no backing. Are you under the assumption that we didn't have jury trials in 1965?
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 10:58 am
Posted on 2/28/23 at 10:59 am to TomJoadGhost
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It’s probably a small number, but I wonder how many of those were wrongful convictions.
As high as 20% but according to most statistics about 12% every year. That does not include the number of unrelated cases which are closed by the police when the do get a conviction. Given that for the first time in their history the police have heard word of their funding being questioned it is not without possibility that they have decided to stop clearing murders of children and old people with every conviction of a drug deal gone bad like they used to when funding only depended on arrest rates.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:00 am to member12
Probably much higher in shite hole Nola.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:01 am to member12
ban masks and hoodies
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:02 am to member12
Mcnulty retired from homicide in 2008.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:04 am to AwgustaDawg
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More likely the low clearance rate is caused by the same thing as the higher crime rates...law enforcement agencies,
I find it difficult to believe you're this naive.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:06 am to Bonkers119
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90% is easy to get to if you don't care about arresting the right person.
And there is no incentive to getting the right person but only an incentive to get someone. The goal should be crime prevention not arrests but if arrests are the goal then convictions should figure in the equation as well as those who are convicted while innocent. Closure rate is a horrible way to determine the effectiveness because the police determine what cases are closed and when to close them. If they want to look good to the public they will close 20 unrelated cases with the conviction of one unrelated crime but if they want to look more necessary to the public they will report more crime and less closure and unfortunately too many among us simply accept that a cop can't tell a lie.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:17 am to member12
The areas that contain the most murders also strongly believe in a diverse police force where detectives are promoted due to the color of their skin and not competence.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:24 am to bird35
Keep voting Democrat!! Soon that number will double and we will be so close to where we want to be!!
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:26 am to member12
I wonder what that figure is if you back out domestic murders where there's never any real doubt. Terrifyingly low I'm sure.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:28 am to member12
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71% of homicides were solved in 1980. Now it's only 50%
The way I feel about some people sometimes...
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:32 am to member12
I mean, I can't tell you my method but I could totally get away with it. The ones that get caught are just idiots.
Luckily I don't hate anyone enough to murder them and am not a complete psycho.
Luckily I don't hate anyone enough to murder them and am not a complete psycho.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:19 pm to goofball
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This is a fricking joke.
We need to seriously re-think how our DA's are put into office, and how violent crime is handled in the US.
Solving a crime and securing a conviction are not the same thing.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Are you under the assumption that we didn't have jury trials in 1965?
Jury trials still exist today too.
Are you suggesting juries and acquittals are responsible for the current state of things?
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