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Murder rate in chicago

Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:26 pm
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:26 pm
Just watched the latest 60 minutes. They said murders are up because police stops and arrests are down 80%. The stops are down because the ACLU sued the city for racial discrimination and now requires cops to fill out a 2 page report just for stopping someone. Also, the cops say they don't want to be apart of the next viral video.

The African-americans are up in arms saying "the cops aren't doing their jobs"!

If you stop them you are racist. If you don't, you aren't doing your job. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. This is one fricked up world.

I actually love the cops approach. Black lives matter? Ok, we will let you sort it out until you are begging us to come save you
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56769 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:30 pm to
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I actually love the cops approach. Black lives matter? Ok, we will let you sort it out until you are begging us to come save you



I fully support (no joke) fully automonous zones for every person of color who wishes to escape the yoke of American systemic racism.
Posted by LaBR4
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
53961 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:30 pm to
yeah cops are handcuffed, they go off on 'em.."Police brutally." Can't blame them for not showing up just to get their arse kicked. It's best just let them kill each other.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
45507 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:35 pm to
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fully automonous zones


I'm good with this for anyone who wants to go in. Just have it clearly marked and make everyone understand that if you need help you have to make it back out first. Nobody is going in for you.
Posted by Bad Medicine
Member since Aug 2014
3575 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:35 pm to
No amount of money could make me be a cop in a place like that
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25427 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:37 pm to
Weren't the police in Chicago known for being very corrupt? Like there were a lot of severe interrogation and evidence violations? Also, hadn't Chicago been one of the most dangerous cities in America before any of this stuff started happening?

I'm no expert on this stuff, and I certainly haven't looked much into it outside of a few newspaper articles. But just saying. Maybe the police haven't been doing their job for a long time.
This post was edited on 1/6/17 at 9:39 pm
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
44184 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:39 pm to
Too bad they can't copy NY's laws.
Posted by Tiger in Texas
Houston, Texas
Member since Sep 2004
22258 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:41 pm to
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I actually love the cops approach. Black lives matter? Ok, we will let you sort it out until you are begging us to come save you




Never could understand why the majority of black witnesses always lie about what they see; or they simply say nothing, unless of course it involves a cop, especially a white one. The liberal Democraps have done so much damage to American society today.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:41 pm to
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Weren't the police in Chicago known for being very corrupt? Like there were a lot of severe interrogation and evidence violations? Also, hadn't Chicago been one of the most dangerous cities in America before any of this stuff started happening? I'm no expert on this stuff, and I certainly haven't looked much into it outside of a few newspaper articles. But just saying


I'm just reporting the news. Im not speculating. They said police stops went down 80% simultaneously when the murder rate hit record levels. Some in the african-american community of chicago are blaming the police for the surge in violence. While at the same time saying the police are racist for stopping them. Do you see the irony?


I dont see what you questions have to do with this conversation
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:42 pm to
HAMSTERDAM!
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35406 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:44 pm to
The Chicago Police are pretty corrupt and had a notorious operation where they would detain people unconstitutionally in a "secret facility."

They are a part of the problem too.
Posted by TigerBait1971
PTC GA
Member since Oct 2014
16457 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:45 pm to
Was planning a stop there this spring on vacation, but decided we will check out Indianapolis instead...frick that place.
Posted by Bushmaster
19th Hole
Member since Oct 2008
39961 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:46 pm to
What is the common thread in all shitty cities, snowflake?
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
108896 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:46 pm to
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HAMSTERDAM!


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The truth is I can't promise you it's going to get any better. We can't lock up the thousands out there on the corners. There'd be no place to put them even if we could. We can show you charts and statistics like they mean something, but you're going back to your home tonight, we're going to be in our patrol cars and them boys still gonna be out there on the corners. Deep in the game. This is the world we got, people, and it's about time all of us had the good sense to at least admit that much.
Posted by drexyl
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
23421 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:47 pm to
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The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown.

The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "No.
Posted by Tarik One
Member since May 2016
2094 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:47 pm to
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This post was edited on 1/6/17 at 9:58 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35406 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:48 pm to
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What is the common thread in all shitty cities, snowflake?
Well I think Chicago is a great city though
Posted by drexyl
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
23421 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:50 pm to
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Well I think Chicago is a great city though


you ever live in/visit the west side?
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25427 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:51 pm to
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I'm just reporting the news. Im not speculating.


Your news is speculative in nature and pretending like you aren't passing an opinion and bias (not that there is necessarily anything wrong with bias) is clearly disengenuous.

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Do you see the irony?



No. Because there isn't any irony.

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They said police stops went down 80% simultaneously when the murder rate hit record levels.


Haven't the murder rates in Chicago been trending up for years and hitting new highs continuously for years? When you compare two trending variables they will always be correlated even if there is no causal link, as a rule of statistics. If Chicago is always hitting new murder rate records then all kinds of stuff is "simultaneously" occurring with them. This could easily be a case of correlation does not equal causation.

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I dont see what you questions have to do with this conversation



Then you are slow, but more likely you are just dishonest and unwilling to have an actual conversation.
This post was edited on 1/6/17 at 10:17 pm
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
44184 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:51 pm to
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where they would detain people unconstitutionally in a "secret facility."


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