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re: Murder #161 in Baton Rouge
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:38 pm to Joshjrn
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:38 pm to Joshjrn
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What do you all believe is a "normal" (let's define this as "median" for the sake of this conversation) sentence for someone to have received who is arrested for 2nd Degree Murder in East Baton Rouge in the last, say, half decade? I'm honestly curious.
About that. 20-25 years. Get 3 for one as a first time offender, so out in 7 or so years.
A huge issue is the District Court Judges with low bonds and not following the sentencing recommendations. There are some soulless people out there that should not be walking around free.
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Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:39 pm to Joshjrn
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What do you all believe is a "normal" (let's define this as "median" for the sake of this conversation) sentence for someone to have received who is arrested for 2nd Degree Murder in East Baton Rouge in the last, say, half decade? I'm honestly curious.
If the charges aren’t dismissed, they’re serving no more than 10 years.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:45 pm to Btrtigerfan
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About that. 20-25 years. Get 3 for one as a first time offender, so out in 7 or so years.
What would they have plead to in this paradigm? Because if it's a crime of violence, they are serving at least 65% before they become parole eligible, 75% before being released on good time.
And in my experience, a Man and 20-25 offer generally means there was something wrong with the State's case. If I'm throwing a dart, I would say that the median for a real 2nd Degree Murder in which the State has a reasonably good case is Man and 30.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:47 pm to TigersSEC2010
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If the charges aren’t dismissed, they’re serving no more than 10 years.
The charges are very rarely dismissed, and only when the State's case is so bad that the individual never should have been arrested to begin with.
And I'm sure there's some exception somewhere but the only cases I can think of that pleaded down from 2nd Degree Murder to something that had the individual serving "no more than 10 years" were good self defense cases but pleaded to avoid the risk of getting hit with life without parole.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:52 pm to Btrtigerfan
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A huge issue is the District Court Judges with low bonds and not following the sentencing recommendations. There are some soulless people out there that should not be walking around free.
We can quibble over the bond issue, but I honestly don't feel like having that debate tonight.
I will say that the overwhelming, staggering majority of murders that plead down are for an agreed upon sentence between the State and defense. I genuinely can't remember (though again, I'm sure there's some exception out there) a 2nd Degree Murder pleading down "in the blind" to leave sentencing up to the court.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:55 pm to Btrtigerfan
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About that. 20-25 years. Get 3 for one as a first time offender, so out in 7 or so years.
A huge issue is the District Court Judges with low bonds and not following the sentencing recommendations. There are some soulless people out there that should not be walking around free.
About that. 20-25 years. Get 3 for one as a first time offender, so out in 7 or so years.
Louisiana Revised Statutes Tit. 14, § 30.1 - Codes - FindLawLINK › ... › Revised Statutes
B. Whoever commits the crime of second degree murder shall be punished by life imprisonment at hard labor without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of ...
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:59 pm to pfcTigah
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Louisiana Revised Statutes Tit. 14, § 30.1 - Codes - FindLawLINK › ... › Revised Statutes
B. Whoever commits the crime of second degree murder shall be punished by life imprisonment at hard labor without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of ...
I interpreted his post as assuming the individual had pleaded down from 2nd Degree Murder to something lesser.
But yeah, if anyone out there believes people are being convicted of 2nd Degree Murder in East Baton Rouge Parish and getting anything less than life... no
P.S. And no, if you manage to find one exception in recorded history, that doesn't make it a thing. Stop.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:12 pm to Joshjrn
161 fewer people in line at Walmart.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:17 pm to Joshjrn
^^^ saw an offender in court who was being pursued by police in marked unit and subj shot at them several times - arrested & charged w/ att 1st deg murder. pleaded to Illegal Use of Weapon ... bam! sentence suspended, placed on prob. w/ condition he take a firearm safety class!!!! Judge, being the stoopid Jackson she was, did not realize that as a convicted felon, he could not have/be around firearms!! Yep EBR Parish "justice system" is a hoot!!! Saw it first hand for 20 yrs.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:19 pm to pfcTigah
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^^^ saw an offender in court who was being pursued by police in marked unit and subj shot at them several times - arrested & charged w/ att 1st deg murder. pleaded to Illegal Use of Weapon ... bam! sentence suspended, placed on prob. w/ condition he take a firearm safety class!!!! Judge, being the stoopid Jackson she was, did not realize that as a convicted felon, he could not have/be around firearms!! Yep EBR Parish "justice system" is a hoot!!! Saw it first hand for 20 yrs.
The prosecutor would have had unfettered discretion and control over the reduction of the charge, and $20 says that the sentence was at least tacitly agreed upon between the State and defense.
And anyway, not a 2nd Degree Murder, which is what we're discussing.
ETA: The reason I want to focus on murders, other than that they are the subject of this thread, is because non-murders are harder to track via the media. Anyone can say they saw some massive miscarriage of justice (like the post I'm replying to), but we have no way of seeing if what they are saying is true to begin with, whether there were problems with the State's case, etc. While we can't always do that with murders, it's vastly more likely, and it makes it more relevant to discuss.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:25 pm to pfcTigah
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Yep EBR Parish "justice system" is a hoot!!! Saw it first hand for 20 yrs.
So what did you do for a living?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:41 pm to Joshjrn
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So what did you do for a living?
nope, ain't going there. the case i discussed, yep all agreed .... was in chambers w/ them!
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:49 pm to pfcTigah
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nope, ain't going there. the case i discussed, yep all agreed .... was in chambers w/ them!
Then I'm not sure why you're taking a swipe at the judge.
So what were the extenuating circumstances? Sounds like you were privy to them. I would guess either PO or DA investigator, though I'm inclined to go DA investigator being they've been more inclined as a group to be more chatty and aggressive on TD over the years than POs.
Or are you going to maintain that some guy with a felony rap who was legit trying to murder cops got both a prosecutor and a judge to agree to a wrist slap and probation?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:52 pm to Joshjrn
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So what did you do for a living?
Yer mom
Posted on 12/30/21 at 9:59 pm to Joshjrn
How many felony convictions did Ronnie Kato have before gunning down a BRPD LEO and an old man?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 10:07 pm to Breauxsif
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How many felony convictions did Ronnie Kato have before gunning down a BRPD LEO and an old man?
Zero in East Baton Rouge per Clerk Connect, and I'm not seeing any indication that he had felony convictions elsewhere in news articles.
Though I'm still not sure what this has to do with people claiming that people arrested for murder in Baton Rouge routinely get light sentences, considering, you know, Mr. Kato is currently being pursued for the death penalty.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 10:15 pm to Joshjrn
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Joshjrn
Whatever y'all doing is working great. 170+ this year. Next year shoot for the moon. I feel like we came up short. Replace slam poetry and midnight basketball with marksmanship lessons. Follow that up with some more excuses.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 10:18 pm to Btrtigerfan
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Whatever y'all doing is working great. 170+ this year. Next year shoot for the moon. I feel like we came up short. Replace slam poetry and midnight basketball with marksmanship lessons. Follow that up with some more excuses.
Please point out where I've made an "excuse" for anything. People on this board who have no idea what they're talking about say silly things about how they believe the system works. I explain, from experience, how the system generally works. People get mad and usually resort to insults before sulking off. Then the same thing gets repeated in the next thread.
Posted on 12/31/21 at 2:51 pm to Joshjrn
It has nothing to do with the police. They are being caught. This is on Hillar Moore and the judges.
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