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re: Motor Trend tests C8 Corvette : 0-60: 2.8, 1/4 mi 11.1
Posted on 10/15/19 at 3:07 pm to bad93ex
Posted on 10/15/19 at 3:07 pm to bad93ex
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Hillbilly inbred rednecks aren't driving Corvettes; Challengers, Camaros and Mustangs are more their style. Geriatrics are the demographic for the Corvette.
Corvette: True
Challengers: False. Thats
"Urban" Youth Oriented. Even the Hellcats.
Camaro: another "Urban" car except for the 1LE and ZR1.
Mustang. Possibly,only pre 2007 models.
But you nail the demographic for Corvette.
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Posted on 10/15/19 at 3:44 pm to member12
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but I'd put it up against any European brand.
Porsche
Posted on 10/15/19 at 4:10 pm to bad93ex
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Geriatrics are the demographic for the Corvette.
Average age of a new car buyer: 53
Average age of a new Vette buyer: 59
Not much difference.
Newsflash: older people generally have more money than younger people and buy more expensive cars.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 4:16 pm to Big Block Stingray
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For years this has been the case, but the C7 demographic has shifted toward younger buyers and I'd suspect the C8 will push it even more.
It was definitely not meant as a slight towards the Corvette as it is a magnificent car but it stands out when you see a group of them with every driver having a silver head of hair.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 4:17 pm to Big Block Stingray
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hey baw, would you hand me my hat?
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 10/15/19 at 4:21 pm to Big Block Stingray
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To each his own....
I am on the record as saying it is a whale of a performance bargain, full stop. I wasn't attempting to be negative. My only issue is where is it losing from 60 to the 1/4. 4400-pound sedans with slower 0-60 times are driving around it and putting over a bus length on it by the 1/4 mile beams. Those cars have almost the exact same power to weight ratio, larger frontal area and similar Cd. In the original launch thread, I said the 0-60 time of 3.0 seemed conservative and expected the car rags to show 2.7-2.8 but I predicted a faster 1/4 ET and trap. I am not remotely suggesting 11.1 is a slow ET in general and especially for a (stock) car under $100k but there is something unusual going on between 60 and 123 in that test car. I think we are going to see 10.8s out of them or someone will identify where the missing ET is going.
BTW ain't nobody speccing a 992 C2S at over $150k that is getting too close to Turbo money. It is one of the typically loaded Porsche press models. However, I bet the average C8 Stingray will be specced at ~$80k LT3/Z51/FE4 is $79k. There is ZERO doubt the C8 is a much better performance bang for the buck than a 911 so was the C7 and C6 and...
I really like a lot about the C8 and it looks even better in the metal than in pictures. If I wanted to be negative I would have talked about the ridiculous amount of impossible to correct understeer and the issues with brake feel that the on-track reviewers are relaying.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 4:22 pm to Big Block Stingray
scary fastPosted on 10/15/19 at 4:31 pm to Obtuse1
The old man demographic thing is being overblown. Look at the average age of buyers for any 2 seater over $60k and it will be highly populated with empty nesters.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 4:34 pm to Sayre
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The old men run rings around the younger set.
Bob Riggle in particular only seems to get faster with each passing year.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 4:37 pm to Obtuse1
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I am on the record as saying it is a whale of a performance bargain, full stop. I wasn't attempting to be negative.
No worries, I did not take it as such as I know we all value/like different things.
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BTW ain't nobody speccing a 992 C2S at over $150k that is getting too close to Turbo money. It is one of the typically loaded Porsche press models. However, I bet the average C8 Stingray will be specced at ~$80k LT3/Z51/FE4 is $79k.
Yeah, I doubt you'll be seeing many $$60k C8s, same with heavily optioned C2s. In that range many will opt for the Z06 or turbo model in the 992. I say that but few years ago had a Boxster S owner tell me he optioned it out so much he could have purchased a base 911 coupe which I personally thought was crazy.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 4:38 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Everything about the new Vette is a homerun.
Interior is atrocious, plus Chevy
Posted on 10/15/19 at 4:46 pm to USMEagles
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Bob Riggle in particular only seems to get faster with each passing year.
Particularly on road tracks older guys start to truly embrace the idea that slow is smooth and smooth is fast. It helps balance the reflex advantage young drivers have. On the strip, you would think reflexes would be king since so many races are won on the tree but just look at John Force, he was the Funny Car champ in his middle 60's and still lighting the candles at 70.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 5:04 pm to Big Block Stingray
I will wait on the C8 Z06 model, it will look nothing like the C8 stingrays. Been told 800hp will be the ticket.
Owned a 2016 Z06 model and that mofo, rolled....
Owned a 2016 Z06 model and that mofo, rolled....
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:47 pm to bad93ex
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Geriatrics are the demographic for the Corvette.
Hmm I’ve seen old guys driving Ferrari’s.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:49 pm to Big Block Stingray
Delayed due to UAW strike. F that.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 7:07 pm to Obtuse1
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My only issue is where is it losing from 60 to the 1/4. 4400-pound sedans with slower 0-60 times are driving around it and putting over a bus length on it by the 1/4 mile beams.
A bus length?
M5 runs the same 1/4 time as the base Vette.
LINK
Ferrari Enzo is a tenth quicker at 11 flat.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 7:13 pm to lsu xman
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Reliability still scares me though.
at that price, buy two and have a backup
Posted on 10/15/19 at 7:52 pm to Quintona
All Hi Po exotics have quality issues except Porche.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 8:47 pm to BuckyCheese
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A bus length?
M5 runs the same 1/4 time as the base Vette.
LINK
Ferrari Enzo is a tenth quicker at 11 flat.
The devil is always in the details. The problem with MTs first drive review was the instrumented tests were done with 91 octane fuel instead of the required 93 for full advance and that one had less HP than the current top of the heap M5 which I used for weight and power ratios. The CD instrumented test showed 2.8 0-60 and the 1/4 at 10.9 and trapping 129 that .3 over the C8 is actually more than a bus length. These numbers are still not the competition package. R&T got essentially the same numbers from the M5 (faster ET and lower trap with the same 0-60, I expect a different staging depth from CD).
The now fairly old Enzo shows what a difference modern traction control can make now look at the trap speeds and top end acceleration and you will see the issues are the 60ft.
Again the M and AMG references were not meant as a wholesale comparison of the cars just that the MT test of the Z51 C8 was disappointing in the 1/4. There is trap and ET being lost from 60 to 120. I am pretty sure later tests will find the time that should be there given all the objective numbers OR provide the answer why. I think they will find the time, if not I bet it comes down to an extra shift or longer gearing that is negatively impacting the 1/4m time.
CD test that showed a standard M3 at 2.8 10.9/129
R&T M5 test 2.8 10.8
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 10/15/19 at 9:43 pm to Obtuse1
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2 seater
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empty nesters
While I defend the age demographics, I think the 2 seater/empty nester factors are key because Corvette owners probably do differ slightly from Porsche/Ferrari owners. Without doing extensive research, the first figures I saw pop up when I googled ages was 52 for the Porsche 911 and 47 for Ferraris. Interesting that the average age decreases while the car price increases (Ferrari price > 911 > Vette).
While I don't have any statistics to back it up, I think Vette owners tend to be more blue collar. They tend to be 'Murica boys who have saved up for years to finally own the best sports car American has to offer. Likewise, they are at that empty nester stage and can tolerate a 2 seater. I bought my first Vette at age 49 and traded it on a Jag XJL barely a year later because I quickly found out that a 2 seater wasn't quite practical yet. 4 years later at age 53, my last one is out the house and at LSU. At the tail end of his freshmen year, I traded my Jag in on a '19 Grand Sport.
The Porsche and Ferrari owners tend to be more the yuppie type who has made good money for a longer time as opposed to saving much of their life for it. So it's not that a Vette is an "old man's car" - it's that the kind of baw that buys a Vette tends to be able to afford it and live with a 2 seater around that age. If they could have afforded it sooner, they would have bought it at a younger age.
Regardless, anyone who makes their car choice based on other people's perception of the "average owner" is a complete moron. I traded in my 911 for my first Vette and loved driving the Vette more (and was faster on the track). I love my Grand Sport even more. I could not care less if every single other owner was a 96 year old great grandmother. The Vette is an awesome car and fun as hell to drive on the street and the track. And you can't beat the performance for the buck, even on the C7 and earlier models.
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