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re: Most Veterans Say Wars in Iraq, Afghanistan Not Worth the Cost

Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:43 pm to
Posted by HeadSlash
TEAM LIVE BADASS - St. GEORGE
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Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:43 pm to
Carter should have nuked Tehran. Problem solved
Posted by AlonsoWDC
Memphis, where it ain't Ten-a-Key
Member since Aug 2014
8754 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:43 pm to
fricking Obama.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
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18869 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:49 pm to
Most veterans don’t have the best views concerning national strategy. They only know what they know—a microcosm of the big picture.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:50 pm to
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Most veterans don’t have the best views concerning national strategy. They only know what they know—a microcosm of the big picture.
So, like almost every other citizen?
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
22836 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:52 pm to
I find this to be false but I interwove from Division level down to Battalion level so maybe that’s why.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:52 pm to
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Most veterans don’t have the best views concerning national strategy. They only know what they know—a microcosm of the big picture.


while I believe this to be true, and some of the viewpoints expressed aren't exactly coming from MENSA members in good standing, I doubt your post will go over well here
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27339 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:53 pm to
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What If I told you that our involvement in the Middle East is the best terrorist recruiting tactic possible.
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I would say you're incredibly naive.

For recruiting the guy who wears the best? Sure.

For recruiting the guy who finds it? Not even close.

See Indonesia and the Bali bombings. Islam runs at direct contrast to western ideals. Screw them.

I've met some good guys who were muslim. But they weren't THAT Muslim. They weren't hardliners. They were like lapsed Catholics.

We shouldn't have taken down Saddam. We should have made the Moustache understand he needed to kill the right people rather than everyone
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35458 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:54 pm to
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while I believe this to be true,
I'm not quite sure what he was saying there. Is he implying that veterans are less intelligent as a group or that non-vets have access to information that vets don't?
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18869 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:55 pm to
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So, like almost every other citizen?


Like every other citizen.

Granted, your average vet knows more about national strategy than your average citizen, but I would much prefer to trust civilians in government (and High Command) that have done the research and know the history of those areas.
Posted by GeorgiaTiger678
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2019
267 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:55 pm to
Iraq should be divided into 3 states, a Kurdish state to the north (could possible merge with parts of Kurdish Syria), a Sunni State to the south and south west and Shia state to the east and parts of the south also. Maybe the Shiaa state merges with Iran and the Saudis or Jordanians take the Shunni one. Iraq is a just a cesspool of these major sect constantly bombing each other for control over specific regions of the country and the only way it will end is if one side comes out on top and crushes the other two.

Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires, the only way you solve anything there is if you genocide half the country install a military dictatorship for the foreseeable future and somehow stop Pakistan from constantly sending state sponsored terror groups into their neighboring states.

I wish India would do us all a favor and just destroy Pakistan once and for all.

But my point with all of this is that these are hopeless nations hellbent on killing each over because they have different interpretations on the same fricking religion. No country in the middle east is worth a single American fingernail much less our blood and tax money.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35458 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:56 pm to
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t I would much prefer to trust civilians in government (and High Command) that have done the research and know the history of those areas.
I think they've given us more than enough reason to be skeptical of their intentions.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:57 pm to
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. Is he implying that veterans are less intelligent as a group or that non-vets have access to information that vets don't?

I think he's pointing out that most don't have as big of a view of the big picture as they think they do, but are making broad generalizations based on limited vantage points
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18869 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:57 pm to
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while I believe this to be true, and some of the viewpoints expressed aren't exactly coming from MENSA members in good standing, I doubt your post will go over well here


I couldn’t give two shits. There’s a reason we have a front line, and a reason we have a Pentagon. They’re not exactly interchangeable.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35458 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:59 pm to
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I think he's pointing out that most don't have as big of a view of the big picture as they think they do, but are making broad generalizations based on limited vantage points
If that's the case then it's a meaningless comment because you can almost universally apply that to everyone.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18869 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 1:00 pm to
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I think he's pointing out that most don't have as big of a view of the big picture as they think they do, but are making broad generalizations based on limited vantage points


Pretty much. And pointing out the fact that just because a Veteran has thoughts regarding warfare doesn’t make them any truer simply because they’ve seen battle.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35458 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 1:01 pm to
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And pointing out the fact that just because a Veteran has thoughts regarding warfare doesn’t make them any truer simply because they’ve seen battle.
This is true but has anyone made that argument? If so, I disagree with them.
Posted by Teufelhunden
Galvez, LA
Member since Feb 2005
5569 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 1:05 pm to
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64%


Seems low to me.
Posted by RougeDawg
Member since Jul 2016
5811 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 1:10 pm to
Been to both.

Iraq was better off with Saddam there on a tight leash.

Civil Affairs guys gave toilet paper to the Afghans early on for....well I'm not really sure why. Afghans use it to start fires for cooking. We are long over due to leave that place.

We have spent almost 6 trillion dollars over there since 2001. That would fund 6,000 new Mississippi River bridges. Time to get the F out.
Posted by Geauxboy
NW Arkansas
Member since Oct 2006
4856 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 1:12 pm to
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The Russians could have told us that.


They did. We just didn't listen. It was all documented.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18869 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 1:20 pm to
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This is true but has anyone made that argument? If so, I disagree with them.


It’s essentially the premise of the thread title that we should value veterans’ opinions by considering them more valid because they are veterans.
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