re: Monthly JFK thread - Carlos Marcello

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Any of you ever been to the depository?? That is an extremely difficult shot. Either Oswald was an excellent marksman or got lucky multiple times.

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Only once, but it was late November 1963 and it wasn't a museum yet.

I'll give that a read. It's right up my alley.

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I don't think that the rifle used by Oswald,a mannlicher carcano, had the velocity or ammo needed for a head to explode on impact.

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The 6.5mm Italian is an effective deer cartridge up to about 220 yards. 2,300 ft/s, 1,897 ft of energy. It's not the greatest cartridge, but it could definitely blow someone's skull up. It's actually notable for its penetration capability at a distance when compared to contemporary rounds of the same general size.

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Mr. Marcello is the kindest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.

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well, all of the dudes that had ice picks shoved into their necks or were fitted for concrete boots aren't here to argue, so...

I did a good bit of research on this a couple of years ago and believe that it was the mafia that did it with the consent and or help of the CIA/FBI. I remember Hoover pretty much okaying it and steering all investigations away from the mob angle. I cant remember the reason for the CIA involvement though, can anyone refresh my memory on that angle?

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The 6.5mm Italian is an effective deer cartridge up to about 220 yards. 2,300 ft/s, 1,897 ft of energy. It's not the greatest cartridge, but it could definitely blow someone's skull up.

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I inherited one and use it occasionally for doe hunts. It's deadly and leaves a nasty wound. While practicing with it, I decided to shoot a 2-liter bottle filled with water at 75 yards. I hit the bottle just above the label and the bottle literally peeled in to 2 pieces.

something something Castro something bay of pigs something something.

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I cant remember the reason for the CIA involvement though, can anyone refresh my memory on that angle?

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Kennedy wussed out of the Bay of Pigs, which he had previously green-lighted, at the last second, resulting in its failure. He was supposed to send in air support, but refused right at the crucial time and the invasion force was massacred on the beach. After the Bay of Pigs, the Kennedy government turned on the organization behind it, rolled up their training camps, and basically ostracized them.

From there, the disaffected, already semi-rogue CIA agents associated with the Bay of Pigs, along with their Cuban dissident cadre and the mafia, who had assisted in the organization and facilitation of various aspects of the Bay of Pigs army (remember, the mafia lost their Havana casinos and hated Castro for it), turned on Kennedy. The mafia in particular really had it out for RFK, who was persecuting them even though they'd helped get JFK elected, but they figured it would be in their best interest to cut off the head of the snake. The rogue CIA guys and Cubans went along because Kennedy had betrayed them at the Bay of Pigs.

My great great grandfather, Roco Giresi was one of the Italians lynched. Pretty wild story all together. There's a great book about it titled "Who Kill'a Da Chief".

My family was heavily in the Italian mob scene in Independence from the 40s on through the 80's , not so much anymore. Their money was made in gambling at bars throughout the parish, bookmaking, prostitution and fencing stolen/high jacked cigs and booze. They were no where close to Marcelo but he was just a call away and got a piece of everything.