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re: Moderate drinking makes heart tougher per study
Posted on 6/19/18 at 9:41 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 6/19/18 at 9:41 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:Well an anonymous survey should provide less pressure to provide a social desirable response.
A nurse told me that when someone self reports use of alcohol, tobacco, or drugs, the rule of thumb is to double whatever amount the person tells them.
However, like anything else there are a bunch of factors to that contribute to one's likelihood to provide an inaccurate response, and those would vary from person to person.
So even if ON AVERAGE, people underreport by half (which could not be determined by experience alone, or at all), that assumption would be problematic if it had any impact on the medical decision-making and would be a complete fallacy in and of itself.
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Posted on 6/19/18 at 9:46 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I’ve been training my whole life for this
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TheDrunkenTigah
Checks out
Posted on 6/19/18 at 9:51 pm to Havoc
But what about More Drinking...
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:11 pm to Havoc
quote:Who is the ignoramus who wrote this story?
The body produces organisms called enzymes
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:18 pm to samson73103
quote:About 14 drinks per week for a man. There are posters in this thread that can kiss their livers goodbye when they hit their 60s unless they change. Hell, some sound like they'll be fricked come 50 years old.
Define moderate
Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:41 am to Havoc
Is this new? I've been hearing this for years.
I'm about 3.5 per day at times. I'll completely stop for a month or two then pick it back up.
My 3.5 right now is 2 beers with dinner, or while cooking. Then a glass, sometimes two of whiskey once the baby is asleep.
I'm about 3.5 per day at times. I'll completely stop for a month or two then pick it back up.
My 3.5 right now is 2 beers with dinner, or while cooking. Then a glass, sometimes two of whiskey once the baby is asleep.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 12:51 am
Posted on 6/20/18 at 1:25 am to Havoc
Mine has trained enough to dominate Broken Skull Ranch. My body can't help anymore so I'm willing to trade.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 8:21 am to Jake88
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About 14 drinks per week for a man. There are posters in this thread that can kiss their livers goodbye when they hit their 60s unless they change. Hell, some sound like they'll be fricked come 50 years old.
My father who is from New Orleans and was a hardcore drug addict with alcohol being his drug of choice, had a full check-up in his sixties and the doctor said he was perfectly healthy, liver and all. Only thing wrong with him was his shoulders were shot.
Carpentry was harder on his body than all the drugs and liquor combined.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 8:49 am to nola000
That's one anecdote. There are always people on the right and left of the curve. But when you take a group of a thousand who drink and use heavily, a very significant number will have organ damage upon close inspection. Did they ultrasound his liver? Early cirrhosis does not usually produce symptoms and it won't be detected with routine examination.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:52 am to Jake88
You would be pretty surprised how tough the liver, and all our organs really are. It is funny that those that drink (light to moderate) have longer lives than teetotalers, while people who absolutely smash it out live just as long as those who don’t drink anything. Alcohol can ruin lives. There are anecdotes on both sides. But, today’s society doesn’t drink near as much as those past.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 11:35 am to Jake88
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That's one anecdote. There are always people on the right and left of the curve. But when you take a group of a thousand who drink and use heavily, a very significant number will have organ damage upon close inspection. Did they ultrasound his liver? Early cirrhosis does not usually produce symptoms and it won't be detected with routine examination.
I agree and wasn't meant to be anything but anecdotal but I just felt the need to point out the possibility to any teetotalers out there.
In his case a lot of it was likely genetics and diet. He comes from really good stock as many people in his family have lived well past 90 years old and his own mother is 92 and she is fully functional and looks like she could go another 10 years easily. He always ate real food, never seen him in my life eat junk food or fast food.
They said he looks like he could have early signs of liver trouble but not enough for them to start treating it. They just told him to cut back some on his alcohol consumption. He wasn't on any medicines. I'd say that's a pretty good prognosis for someone that lived a life as hard as he had
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 11:36 am
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