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re: MIT study infiltrates Covid lockdown/mask skeptic groups and finds that they're... smart
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:01 am to Salmon
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:01 am to Salmon
quote:Besides getting through the typical responses, it has been a good discussion. Even TBoy brings up a good point that the study was pretty fair in that it really did seem to relay honestly what was observed. I didn't respond to your opinion that you agreed about what helped caused 1/6 because I knew that would derail it.
I've enjoyed this thread this morning though, so thanks for the link
I don't think most of the people involved were the type on which this study was focused. They didn't seem like data-driven people to me. 
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Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:03 am to Salmon
quote:I thought it was perfect for the OT.
just for clarity, that isn't a quote from the paper, but rather a Twitter user summarizing the conclusion in a rather hyperbolic manner
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:09 am to Salmon
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Therefore, the only way to define "scientific truth" would be through consensus of the scientific community (institution)
This conclusion appears to debunk itself. I could reach a different conclusion based on the data.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:12 am to BadMrK
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This conclusion appears to debunk itself. I could reach a different conclusion based on the data.
I think you're missing the point, while also proving the point.
The fact that you, an individual, could reach a different conclusion proves that their is no objective process or rules when it comes to determining conclusions.
These individual biases are generally weeded out through consensus of a population, in this instance, the institution of science.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:23 am to ell_13
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Cloth masks worn incorrectly over and over by the public for hours at a time do absolutely nothing.
Actually, they do. They are filthy and far worse than people realize.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:26 am to Salmon
quote:The scientific method is meant to be able to be utilized individually or as a group. And it's effective. The scientific process, which is very different, is the idea of peer reviews and PHDs and it's evolving all the time in terms what what becomes acceptable. The involvement of media/politics has tarnished it in many ways. For instance, the youngest black harvard tenured professor got caught up in "me too" just a few months after he ran a study that found no police bias in killings when looking at race and violent police interactions. That study, which was peer reviewed, got dissected again and again until some initial media complaints showed up in a couple peer reviews too. It was completely against any scientific method the the scientific process got changed/hijacked because the result was too politically incorrect.
their is no objective process or rules when it comes to determining conclusions.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:29 am to deathvalleytiger10
quote:He asked me about studies. I agree, the masks most people wear over and over without cleaning are disgusting, but people's mouths are disgusting.
Actually, they do. They are filthy and far worse than people realize.
As long as that mask is used by that one person and only that person, it's actually not dangerous at all. It's not different than sleeping on the same pillow with the same sheet on it for weeks/months at a time.Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:29 am to Salmon
I assure you, I haven't missed the point.
It is a paradox. Saying "there are no rules when it comes to determining a conclusion" is, in itself, a rule and determines a conclusion, and thus self-defeating.
It is a paradox. Saying "there are no rules when it comes to determining a conclusion" is, in itself, a rule and determines a conclusion, and thus self-defeating.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:30 am to ell_13
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It's not different than sleeping on the same pillow with the same sheet on it for weeks/months at a time.
Wash your sheets you dirty bastard.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:30 am to Darth_Vader
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Nothing scares or pisses off a leftist more than someone who has the ability and wherewithal to think for them self.
*themselves
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:32 am to EarlyCuyler3
quote:My wife does.
Wash your sheets you dirty bastard.
And I wash my masks too. But you'd be a fool to think the general public, and many of those who like to tout how dirty masks are, don't wash those sheets very often. Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:33 am to Hurricane Mike
quote:
That entire post contradicted itself twice
Hmmmmmm……..If I could down vote this post then up vote it, I would.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:37 am to ell_13
I disagree with your pillow analogy.
Typical mask wearer has it thrown somewhere in their car where it finds the floor board where shoes that have been stepping in God knows what have been. The masks are stuffed in purses, in pants pockets, etc...All of this cross contaminates the mask.
The wearer then puts it on, heads into a store, opens the door, touches goods touched by others, adjusts the mask multiple times, pushes a buggy around, and on and on....
Then they get back in their car and the mask wallows around in the car petri dish.
Rinse and repeat for weeks.
Your pillow is not in the same environment.
Typical mask wearer has it thrown somewhere in their car where it finds the floor board where shoes that have been stepping in God knows what have been. The masks are stuffed in purses, in pants pockets, etc...All of this cross contaminates the mask.
The wearer then puts it on, heads into a store, opens the door, touches goods touched by others, adjusts the mask multiple times, pushes a buggy around, and on and on....
Then they get back in their car and the mask wallows around in the car petri dish.
Rinse and repeat for weeks.
Your pillow is not in the same environment.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:54 am to deathvalleytiger10
quote:Again, we are talking about the general public. People who don't shower every day. People who have been, prior to this year, likely never worn a mask and have gone about their day touching things and then their mouths and so on. Then they get home and lay down and drool and repeat. It may stay in the same place, but these people don't. The mask is just as bad. It does get placed on tables and in pockets. I'm not sayin they're exactly the same. I'm saying one can be just as gross and you're sleeping on it for hours every night. And you've done that for years and years without much complaint. The mask may not protect you from anything. But let's not pretend its very dangerous either. Or at least not more so than the other things you put on your face for hours at a time daily.
Your pillow is not in the same environment.
This post was edited on 5/12/21 at 11:59 am
Posted on 5/12/21 at 12:02 pm to ell_13
quote:That’s a lot of words to get around just saying that the research says they work.
Medical masks that get discarded after every use have been shown to help protect medical field workers when studies focus specifically on highly contagious outbreaks. These are typically used over short periods of time while in close proximity to people infected. Cloth masks worn incorrectly over and over by the public for hours at a time do absolutely nothing. Disposable are only slightly better if used once and correctly then discarded correctly as well. The public, rather than being educated on what masks work and how they should work, are simply told to mask up! with very few other instructions.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 12:03 pm to Salmon
quote:
so let's discuss this quote, which I assume this thought is a standard misinterpretation of Kuhn, who is often falsely termed as a "relativist"
Kuhn would argue that "scientific truth" cannot be determined by objective data (process) because there is no objective data because 2 individuals (scientists) could reach different conclusions with the same data due to their own subjective values
Therefore, the only way to define "scientific truth" would be through consensus of the scientific community (institution)
the fact that the "anti-maskers" in this study like to quote Kuhn is kinda problematic towards their own cause
This should show up in the dictionary as a classic example of how circular reasoning was used to appear intelligent.
I don't think Kuhn is off at all, I think you are just falling short at making your perspective work for the initial argument Kuhn made.
You just try to replace science with your personal definitions of such because you're missing the point.
Science doesn't belong to any institution, nor should it have ever belonged to one. Because the institution should've never considered scientific fact a property of itself.
You trying to put your own spin on your "scientific truth" perspective, is the same crime that the institutions commit.
Ironically, the Pharisees killed Christ for the same thing when he told them they didn't own what belonged to us all along.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 12:06 pm to madddoggydawg
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That’s a lot of words to get around just saying that the research says they work.
No. We live in the real world. There is no study that shows that the masks suggested (cloth) work to prevent spread in the public setting. Saying the work hypothetically and including a few "ifs" doesn't mean they actually do.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 12:41 pm to Salmon
quote:
These individual biases are generally weeded out through consensus of a population, in this instance, the institution of science.
As shown by my quote from these buffoons, that institution seems to be failing
Posted on 5/12/21 at 1:33 pm to hometownhero89
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Science doesn't belong to any institution, nor should it have ever belonged to one. Because the institution should've never considered scientific fact a property of itself.
The institution in this regard is the scientific community. I don't know what point you think you are making here.
quote:
You trying to put your own spin on your "scientific truth" perspective, is the same crime that the institutions commit.
I'm not trying to do anything, I was literally quoting Kuhn.
I don't think you understood that post at all, honestly.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:19 am to ell_13
quote:On Respiratory Droplets and Facemasks
There is no study that shows that the masks work
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