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re: Missing Florida boys' boat found capsized
Posted on 7/27/15 at 4:10 pm to Topwater Trout
Posted on 7/27/15 at 4:10 pm to Topwater Trout
I was 11 when I was allowed to hold my own gun, never more than a few steps from my dad. He hunted 3 years with me before allowing me to hunt alone.
If I could walk to it, I could fish it, until I was out on my own.
I fished recreationally with family up to the barrier islands from Last Island to Marsh Island from the age of 9, but always aware of conditions with an experienced person on board.
I wouldn't be alive today if my parents had given me free reign w a 19 ft boat in the GOM, much less the Atlantic.
If I could walk to it, I could fish it, until I was out on my own.
I fished recreationally with family up to the barrier islands from Last Island to Marsh Island from the age of 9, but always aware of conditions with an experienced person on board.
I wouldn't be alive today if my parents had given me free reign w a 19 ft boat in the GOM, much less the Atlantic.
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Posted on 7/27/15 at 4:13 pm to wahoocs
What Do you guys think happened? Its really creepy to imagine.
Scenario 1: Storm blows up while they are motoring out and rogue wave topples boat. They go in water and conditions are so bad that they are unable to stay with/on top of hull and get separated. Life preservers? Don't know.
Scenario 2: Storm blows up while they are motoring out and rogue wave topples boat. They are knocked unconscious or cannot withstand ferocity of seas and drown.
Scenario 3: Kidnapped and being held for ransom.
I don't even want to imagine other scenarios involving wildlife.
Anyway ... My hunch is they went into the water conscious. I would think that they would know better to stay with the capsized boat. I just cant figure why they would leave it. Did they feel good about swimming to shore based on setting sun? This kind of stuff drives me crazy.
I pray it ends well but losing hope.
Scenario 1: Storm blows up while they are motoring out and rogue wave topples boat. They go in water and conditions are so bad that they are unable to stay with/on top of hull and get separated. Life preservers? Don't know.
Scenario 2: Storm blows up while they are motoring out and rogue wave topples boat. They are knocked unconscious or cannot withstand ferocity of seas and drown.
Scenario 3: Kidnapped and being held for ransom.
I don't even want to imagine other scenarios involving wildlife.
Anyway ... My hunch is they went into the water conscious. I would think that they would know better to stay with the capsized boat. I just cant figure why they would leave it. Did they feel good about swimming to shore based on setting sun? This kind of stuff drives me crazy.
I pray it ends well but losing hope.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 4:14 pm to tigerpimpbot
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“That’s his niche, he’s a fisherman and a captain all the way. He doesn’t get freaked out by anything,” she said. “Kids are so resilient, not like adults. He wouldn’t get seasick, I know I would.”
I'm going to go ahead and call bullshite on this one. I can say with pretty good certainty that anyone and everyone would be freaked out by their boat getting overturned and floating in the open ocean that far off shore...likely waiting to die.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 4:16 pm to Bloodworth
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What Do you guys think happened? Its really creepy to imagine.
Your scenarios all seem pretty likely. The thing that's weird is that the boat was "damaged". Not sure if that just means it was capsized, which almost certainly means big arse wave, or had a hole punched in the hull or something. If it's the latter, that's where it gets odd.
I would think its probably scenario 1.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 4:22 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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The thing that's weird is that the boat was "damaged".
I haven't read anything that gave specific damage description. Everything Ive read so far is that engine casing was missing along with cooler and life jackets but know one knows for sure about the jackets. They could have hit something in incident unrelated to weather which could have caused a loss of control and capsizing. Just seems unlikely.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 4:26 pm to Bloodworth
according to a poster floating around facebook the engine cover was not on the boat when it was found. If I had to guess they had engine troubles, were trying to fix it, and couldn't defend themselves/the boat from waves and it capsized.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 4:31 pm to redneck
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If I had to guess they had engine troubles, were trying to fix it,
The Coast Guard captain just said exactly that at the presser, but he also said it's a guess at this point.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 4:34 pm to redneck
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If I had to guess they had engine troubles, were trying to fix it, and couldn't defend themselves/the boat from waves and it capsized.
That was my first thought as well, but didn't these kids have a fricking radio on board to radio the coast guard, other boaters, sea tow, someone?
Posted on 7/27/15 at 4:41 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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That was my first thought as well, but didn't these kids have a fricking radio on board to radio the coast guard, other boaters, sea tow, someone?
Apparently not. I believe in letting your kids be free to explore and do things but this was a deep sea fishing trip by a couple of kids who apparently set sail into ocean with storm blowing in. What's crazy is that this all apparently happened during the day and they got separated from boat somehow. The footage from coastguard shows capsized boat floating with most of hull above water and no damage to hull. Why/how did they get separated from the boat?
Posted on 7/27/15 at 4:42 pm to Bloodworth
Conscious or unconscious, they drowned.
It only takes one wave to capsize a boat and it's not a rogue wave in a squall.
The trick to surviving conditions like that is being in the right size boat and knowing how to manuveur it.
This wasn't the first time this kid went offshore, it's just the first time he faced enough adversity to put his skills to the test. He was undersized, overmatched, and ill-prepared.
He was a 14 year old kid going on 50 in his parents eyes.
A salty dog reduced to salt.
This was not an accident.
It only takes one wave to capsize a boat and it's not a rogue wave in a squall.
The trick to surviving conditions like that is being in the right size boat and knowing how to manuveur it.
This wasn't the first time this kid went offshore, it's just the first time he faced enough adversity to put his skills to the test. He was undersized, overmatched, and ill-prepared.
He was a 14 year old kid going on 50 in his parents eyes.
A salty dog reduced to salt.
This was not an accident.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 4:44 pm to wahoocs
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Conscious or unconscious, they drowned. It only takes one wave to capsize a boat and it's not a rogue wave in a squall. The trick to surviving conditions like that is being in the right size boat and knowing how to manuveur it. This wasn't the first time this kid went offshore, it's just the first time he faced enough adversity to put his skills to the test. He was undersized, overmatched, and ill-prepared. He was a 14 year old kid going on 50 in his parents eyes. A salty dog reduced to salt. This was not an accident.
I can't argue against any of your theory.
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 7/27/15 at 4:48 pm to redneck
Any word on wave heights at the time? What kind of boat was it?
Posted on 7/27/15 at 4:58 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Summer squalls blow up and blow over pretty fast.
If I had to guess I would say they waited around a bit and it got bad. They opted to run back into the inlet. Probably got spooked and tried to run full tabs down in a following sea. Maybe took a few waves or bow steered hard enough to send them overboard. I've seen very experienced boaters make this mistake but they were adults and a hard bow steer wouldn't send them flying like it would a 14 year old.
The part about the boat being found capsized throws me off a bit. I haven't seen the hull but a well built 19 foot offshore boat could be tough as shite to capsize. I guess if it bow steered to 90 degrees and threw the kid off the throttle I guess a big enough wave could have turned it over. Just seems odd.
If I had to guess I would say they waited around a bit and it got bad. They opted to run back into the inlet. Probably got spooked and tried to run full tabs down in a following sea. Maybe took a few waves or bow steered hard enough to send them overboard. I've seen very experienced boaters make this mistake but they were adults and a hard bow steer wouldn't send them flying like it would a 14 year old.
The part about the boat being found capsized throws me off a bit. I haven't seen the hull but a well built 19 foot offshore boat could be tough as shite to capsize. I guess if it bow steered to 90 degrees and threw the kid off the throttle I guess a big enough wave could have turned it over. Just seems odd.
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 7/27/15 at 6:44 pm to Hammertime
They said winds reached 50 mph
It was a 19 ft bay boat.
Probably 8-10 ft seas.
Any number of scenarios for the boat to capsize, all including wind, water, boat position, and speed.
It was a 19 ft bay boat.
Probably 8-10 ft seas.
Any number of scenarios for the boat to capsize, all including wind, water, boat position, and speed.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 6:52 pm to wahoocs
Question.
As a boater myself, what would the correct course of action be if you couldn't outrun and were caught in 8 to 10's?
If it were me: at the point of not being able to ride with waves I would have to turn and 1/4 bow into them. (If not more bow but the point is turn and face them.
Is that the right decision? These storms in the summer do blow up quick and they can be wide. So far i usually just run from them. But its been scary a few times.
FWIW i snapper fish in the GULF in a 20' twin engine boat, but never more than 5 miles out because all of the above.
As a boater myself, what would the correct course of action be if you couldn't outrun and were caught in 8 to 10's?
If it were me: at the point of not being able to ride with waves I would have to turn and 1/4 bow into them. (If not more bow but the point is turn and face them.
Is that the right decision? These storms in the summer do blow up quick and they can be wide. So far i usually just run from them. But its been scary a few times.
FWIW i snapper fish in the GULF in a 20' twin engine boat, but never more than 5 miles out because all of the above.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 6:52 pm to wahoocs
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Probably 8-10 ft seas.
That would make even the most experienced captains panic in a 19-ft boat.
On a side note, I'm always perplexed by the guys who go offshore in a single engine boat. I simply do not understand the risk/reward associated with that decision.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 6:55 pm to slackster
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I'm always perplexed by the guys who go offshore in a single engine boat
If it were a Honda I'd feel OK, I get where you're coming from, 2 Hondas would be best.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 7:00 pm to slackster
We are normally in my friends 31 Cape Horn with S2S, hand held, EPIRB, etc when tuna fishing
In my 19' though I have a water proof, handheld VHF in case it's ever needed. I don't usually go much farther than Cat Island though.
In my 19' though I have a water proof, handheld VHF in case it's ever needed. I don't usually go much farther than Cat Island though.
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 7/27/15 at 7:06 pm to MoreOrLes
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As a boater myself, what would the correct course of action be if you couldn't outrun and were caught in 8 to 10's?
If you were caught in 8-10s in a 19-ft boat, you're best bet is to put on your life jacket, radio for help, and hold the frick on for your last moments.
I don't think people truly understand what 8-10 foot seas are like - 90% of Youtube videos proclaiming 8-10 foot swells are actually 3-5 at best.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 7:12 pm to wahoocs
I've been in some very nasty 5ft seas in a 21ft Whaler, and am glad as frick my buddy can drive well. Pretty scary. I wouldn't expect any 14 year old to have the wherewithal to handle that type of situation
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