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re: Millennials earn 20% less than Boomers did at same stage of life
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:50 pm to BulldogXero
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:50 pm to BulldogXero
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You mean like virtually every white collar job out there?
i sit behind a computer screen but im consistently on the phone and at meetings talking to people. 
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:52 pm to Hammertime
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Sociability means jack shite when you're trying to get past a computer screening process
very true. And its as much a hindrance to the employer as the candidate.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:53 pm to Hammertime
quote:of course people on here, behind a computer screen, dont like it. They are behind a computer screen. But do to job fairs and such put on my universities and you will see maybe 2-5% of the students there. Most students want to just submit their bland resume to a company, then bitch why they didnt get hired.
That's the problem. College kids these days dont want the face to face contact and just want to sit behind a computer screen.
100% of the recent grads in this thread have expressed hatred for the online application process and having HR choose candidates for jobs they know nothing about. Not sure where you got that.
Look i agree with you in a lot of facets, but to broadly say recent grads are all go-getters is a dumb as saying all baby boomers ruined this country.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:54 pm to Hammertime
This thread is hilarious from all angles. The two biggest whiners in this thread are you and SS. It just so happens that you and him are 2 of the least marketable people that post on here.
For years, yalls post history is a string of bragging about fricking up in life. Getting shite grades, getting in fights, dropping out of school, going to prison/jail, etc. Youre in here complaining that people with better grades and better track records are the ones getting jobs before you. Well no fricking shite they are. Why should some big wig at Exxon hire the person with a sketchy history over the 3.8 gpa good student?
Blaming the economy is lame also.
For years, yalls post history is a string of bragging about fricking up in life. Getting shite grades, getting in fights, dropping out of school, going to prison/jail, etc. Youre in here complaining that people with better grades and better track records are the ones getting jobs before you. Well no fricking shite they are. Why should some big wig at Exxon hire the person with a sketchy history over the 3.8 gpa good student?
Blaming the economy is lame also.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:57 pm to CarRamrod
Well, students stop going to the job fairs because:
A. The recruiters don't want to talk to them
B. They don't accept resumes
C. They all just tell them to go submit online anyways.
I always made a point to go to job fairs when I could go between classes, but in only one of them did I ever even meet someone who would later give me an interview. I probably went to 12 job fairs, at least, during undergrad.
A. The recruiters don't want to talk to them
B. They don't accept resumes
C. They all just tell them to go submit online anyways.
I always made a point to go to job fairs when I could go between classes, but in only one of them did I ever even meet someone who would later give me an interview. I probably went to 12 job fairs, at least, during undergrad.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:58 pm to kingbob
quote:this just isnt true
The recruiters don't want to talk to them
quote:a job fair is just a networking opportunity. If they like you they will seek you out.
B. They don't accept resumes
C. They all just tell them to go submit online anyways.
BTW - i never went to a job fair.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:59 pm to Deactived
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:00 pm to CarRamrod
They'll seek you out if the HR computer doesn't throw you in the trash because you don't fit the same narrow requirements that no one else in school has while the middle managers sit there wondering why they can't fill positions to get more people, and the people they do get constantly leave.
Oh, you never went to one? So, yeah, you're talking out of your arse.
Oh, you never went to one? So, yeah, you're talking out of your arse.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:00 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Oh look. Another Jones melt.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:02 pm to CaptainPanic
Did y'all ever just figure that sometimes you really are just not qualified for what you think you are?
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:06 pm to Deactived
quote:
Jones
Man I know I've made my bed don't put that shite on me.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:07 pm to Deactived
Possibly because my work history and skills directly represent what the job description is a lot of times. Would you take someone who knows and has worked on engines for years with a 2.5 over someone who has no hands-on experience with a 4.0 if the job is designing engines? I run into that scenario all of the time.
There is a lack of jobs for new grads. The hiring process is fricked up. There's no denying either of those. FTR, I have a job.
And my extracurricular history is hidden from the public
There is a lack of jobs for new grads. The hiring process is fricked up. There's no denying either of those. FTR, I have a job.
And my extracurricular history is hidden from the public
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:09 pm to kingbob
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Oh, you never went to one? So, yeah, you're talking out of your arse.
no that actually came from a counselor urging me to go to them. quote:
hey'll seek you out if the HR computer doesn't throw you in the trash because you don't fit the same narrow requirements that no one else in school has while the middle managers sit there wondering why they can't fill positions to get more people, and the people they do get constantly leave.
When i was hired, they asked for my resume and and put out an advertisement that was my exact resume, and told me to go online and apply. DOnt place all the blame on something when it really is controlled by a multiple factors. Now companies have to advertise positions to get past the equal opportunity laws. Most public example is the Rooney Rule.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:10 pm to 50_Tiger
The problem is few people are. The basic requirements for entry level jobs have gotten so far out of hand that there is a huge shortage of qualified applicants. This causes companies to have high turnover rates and long lead times to fill vacant positions.
At the same time, the "entry level" job niche that served as a stepping stone for most college graduates who didn't have an "in" at a company (a family connection), has been eliminated.
This creates a shortage of jobs for recent grads, causing them to continue to fill service industry jobs, which displaces teens, leading to fewer of them getting the needed work experience while on high school and college.
So, glut of workers with no more than 2 years experience (not counting internships), and a shortage of workers with 3-5. There's a missing rung on the ladder. HR people can't see that, so they miss out on a massive talent pool while wondering why, despite high unemployment and rediculous numbers of applicants, they can't find any who meet their qualifications.
If I keep going to McDonald's demanding pizza, and only pizza, I'm going to walk away hungry every time. Either I need to get something else on the menu or buy somewhere else.
At the same time, the "entry level" job niche that served as a stepping stone for most college graduates who didn't have an "in" at a company (a family connection), has been eliminated.
This creates a shortage of jobs for recent grads, causing them to continue to fill service industry jobs, which displaces teens, leading to fewer of them getting the needed work experience while on high school and college.
So, glut of workers with no more than 2 years experience (not counting internships), and a shortage of workers with 3-5. There's a missing rung on the ladder. HR people can't see that, so they miss out on a massive talent pool while wondering why, despite high unemployment and rediculous numbers of applicants, they can't find any who meet their qualifications.
If I keep going to McDonald's demanding pizza, and only pizza, I'm going to walk away hungry every time. Either I need to get something else on the menu or buy somewhere else.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:11 pm to Hammertime
quote:Just because a mechanic who knows an engine inside and out, knows the mechanical engineering and thermodynamics it takes to design an engine.
Would you take someone who knows and has worked on engines for years with a 2.5 over someone who has no hands-on experience with a 4.0 if the job is designing engines?
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:12 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
no that actually came from a counselor urging me to go to them.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:13 pm to CarRamrod
Or, what they do is advertise a job with high requirements and low pay for those requirements so few, if any, will apply. Then, they pick the connected person, who also doesn't meet those requirements, to fill said job because they can't find qualified applicants. That way, they get around the insane hiring laws.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:15 pm to kingbob
I think you are putting the cart before the horse with all that.
which one is it? A huge talent pool, or a bunch of un-qualified people?
quote:
huge shortage of qualified applicants
quote:
leading to fewer of them getting the needed work experience
quote:
miss out on a massive talent pool
which one is it? A huge talent pool, or a bunch of un-qualified people?
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:18 pm to Hammertime
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Would you take someone who knows and has worked on engines for years with a 2.5 over someone who has no hands-on experience with a 4.0 if the job is designing engines?
A person at the company can look at these 2 people and see a much different picture than you. They can see the 4.0 as someone who is smart, dedicated, and easily trained. Your years of experience could have been filled with you picking up bad habits that will transfer into this new job. An employer would rather take the clean slate 4.0 student and mold them to what they need.
quote:
There is a lack of jobs for new grads. The hiring process is fricked up. There's no denying either of those
Nothing can replace physically walking into a business and handing them a resume. People probably dont do that as much anymore
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And my extracurricular history is hidden from the public
Its not. Whatever you think you had 894ed or expunged or whatever is very much viewable to someone willing to find it.
Fwiw, my best friend worked for a compnay that specializes in background checks. Trust me your bullshite is not hidden.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:20 pm to kingbob
quote:Is it against the law to apply for a job you arent qualified for?
Or, what they do is advertise a job with high requirements and low pay for those requirements so few, if any, will apply. Then, they pick the connected person, who also doesn't meet those requirements, to fill said job because they can't find qualified applicants. That way, they get around the insane hiring laws.
That reminds me of an ex supervisor, who was a woman, who sent out an article from some Professional Woman's club explaining why men get the job more often than women. One of the reasons was a man would apply for a job when he saw one think he was qualified for on the list, while a woman would pass over that job because she didnt meet all of the requirements.
I guess people are right when they say the pussification of the men in our nation is happening.
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