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re: Millenial homeowners "get real" about their success
Posted on 6/6/19 at 9:47 am to JohnnyKilroy
Posted on 6/6/19 at 9:47 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Let's say I'm a 22 year old female nurse, grew up in an urban / suburban area. Like the vast majority of people my age, I enjoy going out with friends, dating, and would like to find a husband and get married sometime in the next 4-6 years. The rural nursing job has fewer benefits and pays 70% of the nursing jobs in the nearest medium sized city.
Sell me on rural america.
The only benefit would be being close to family (if that's even desireable) and that your 70% pay may actually go significantly farther due to lower cost of living. Other than that, there are no real benefits to you. By 22, all the good men and women in rural towns are married/divorced with 17 kids in travel ball.
Unless your hobbies are hunting, fishing, gardening, and/or raising livestock, there is zero reason to be in a rural area at that age and stage of life.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 9:49 am
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 9:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
I don't disagree that being motivated and resourceful can get you further in life, but it isn't everything.
Sidenote - if millennials are bums and unmotivated or entitled or whatever the insults are, then it is due to their upbringing. For example, I currently live in an area where retail stores and restaurants are closing early or closing their doors because they cannot staff due to the lack of affordable housing ( People from other parts of town aren't going to commute 40+ minutes for a fast food job when there's an Arby's next to them.) And the HS kids don't work because Mom and Dad provide everything for them.
I digress as that is a somewhat different issue, but does touch on the real world negative effects of the current housing market in my area
Sidenote - if millennials are bums and unmotivated or entitled or whatever the insults are, then it is due to their upbringing. For example, I currently live in an area where retail stores and restaurants are closing early or closing their doors because they cannot staff due to the lack of affordable housing ( People from other parts of town aren't going to commute 40+ minutes for a fast food job when there's an Arby's next to them.) And the HS kids don't work because Mom and Dad provide everything for them.
I digress as that is a somewhat different issue, but does touch on the real world negative effects of the current housing market in my area
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 9:54 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 9:54 am to kingbob
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The only benefit would be being close to family
In my hypo, the nurse doesn't have any social or family connection to the rural area.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 9:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't want you to do anything. You'll figure out soon enough that this lifestyle you want isn't something you are going to walk into.
Thing is, there's really nothing special about the type of lifestyle that a lot of younger people want. A modest home with a few walkable amenities and not too far from work shouldn't be so hard to find.
It's hard to find because prior generations focused so heavily on cars and large highways that the more traditional hoods are in the minority in most metros. Big homes, big lots, and zoning that prevented a mix of uses.
Absolutely atrocious urban planning with no foresight.
The first suburbs really got it right. Then shite went haywire.
In my neck of the woods, some neighborhoods are actually being reconfigured to resemble older hoods, but it's impossible to change everything. Still very inefficient use of space
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 9:58 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 9:56 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You'll figure out soon enough that this lifestyle you want isn't something you are going to walk into.
Breaking news
Posted on 6/6/19 at 9:57 am to JohnnyKilroy
This is anecdotal but I just went to the opening of a new hospital in a rural town with 20,000 people. It is the town's first real hospital - so until March 2019 living there meant that if you wanted to be a nurse without a commute you had to work for one of the two private practices or the shopping mall kaiser clinic that has a staff of 10 aka not a whole lot of opportunity there for a nurse unless they wanted to commute an hour + to the nearest city.
Worth pointing out that this is a larger town with a Walmart, Albertsons and restaurants so not a horrible place to live as you have amenities, but to argue that well paying jobs are just everywhere there is foolish. Sure there are some, but you better believe that job won't be vacant until someone retires or dies.
Worth pointing out that this is a larger town with a Walmart, Albertsons and restaurants so not a horrible place to live as you have amenities, but to argue that well paying jobs are just everywhere there is foolish. Sure there are some, but you better believe that job won't be vacant until someone retires or dies.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 10:02 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 9:58 am to pizzatiger
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Thing is, there's really nothing special about the type of lifestyle that a lot of younger people want. A modest home with a few walkable amenities and not too far from work shouldn't be so hard to find.
It's hard to find because prior generations focused so heavily on cars and large highways that the more traditional hoods are in the minority in most metros. Big homes, big lots, and zoning that prevented a mix of uses.
This. In the 1980s-2000's, urban planners and developers moved from having interconnected street grids with a mix of residential, commercial, and retail that encouraged walkability to massive sprawling subdivisions of single-family homes in a maze-like design with only one entrance/exit onto a major road. It's complete insanity and a reversal of the entirety of human history's understanding of what neighborhoods should be.
The motivating factor for this was allegedly to keep crime out, but as neighborhoods age, section 8 rentals move in, and the crime is there regardless (see neighborhoods around Staring in BR). Unless you're a kid wanting to ride your bike to other kids' houses around the cul-de-sac or a mom wanting to walk in the morning, there are no benefits to such a neighborhood. Driving becomes a necessity to get anywhere, and because of the limited access, the entrance/exits become huge traffic bottlenecks.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 10:01 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:01 am to helluvaday
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This is anecdotal but I just went to the opening of a new hospital in a rural town with 20,000 people. It is the town's first real hospital - so until March 2019 living there meant that if you wanted to be a nurse without a commute you had to work for one of the two private practices or the shopping mall kaiser clinic that has a staff of 10 aka not a whole lot of opportunity there for a nurse unless they wanted to commute an hour + to the nearest city.
Yea idk where Roger got that from. It's pretty well documented that rural areas suffer from a lack of access to medical care vs. urban areas. There's not that many jobs in rural areas in that sector.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:01 am to Janky
There’s more whining about 23 year olds whining than actual 23 year olds whining
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:08 am to helluvaday
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I don't disagree that being motivated and resourceful can get you further in life, but it isn't everything.
It's usually the difference between being passive and living the life you want to live
If someone wants to live in Brooklyn bad enough, more power to them. They'll make the sacrifices to start and find a way to make a life.
Moving there then whining about the cost of housing is a victims game.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:09 am to kingbob
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The motivating factor for this was allegedly to keep crime out, but as neighborhoods age, section 8 rentals move in, and the crime is there regardless (see neighborhoods around Staring in BR). Unless you're a kid wanting to ride your bike to other kids' houses around the cul-de-sac or a mom wanting to walk in the morning, there are no benefits to such a neighborhood. Driving becomes a necessity to get anywhere, and because of the limited access, the entrance/exits become huge traffic bottlenecks.
I think it was also the illusion of safety and the exclusiveness of living in a subdivision. The early subdivisions were truly for the wealthy with gated entries, security, golf courses, etc. Then the more middle class variety happened. Many of the latter are now very run down depending on where you are.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:11 am to helluvaday
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but to argue that well paying jobs are just everywhere there is foolish
I don't think I said anything about pay being equal. But the cost of living is far less expensive.
If you want to badly enough, you'll make a life where you want to live.
I've done it. It's one of the more expensive places in the country but I made some tradeoffs along the way.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:12 am to pizzatiger
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Thing is, there's really nothing special about the type of lifestyle that a lot of younger people want.
I'm not sure I'm buying that. They should have a lifestyle goal in mind.
It will change later, but I don't know anyone floating around out there.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I'm not sure I'm buying that. They should have a lifestyle goal in mind.
The lifestyle goal is having a walkable community that isn't 100% car-dependent. So that leaves out the vast majority of the country because prior generations had some sort of moral opposition to sidewalks and mixed use communities.
It's basic supply/demand. The demand is for one thing, the supply is mostly another thing.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 10:18 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:17 am to pizzatiger
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The lifestyle goal is having a walkable community that isn't 100% car-dependent.
For some, sure. These people need to realize it's going to be difficult for most do it right out of college and not pay high rent/mortgage.
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So that leaves out the vast majority of the country because prior generations had some sort of moral opposition to sidewalks and mixed use communities
And it's going to cost them a lot of money, which is why they aren't able to afford housing..
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 10:19 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:19 am to RogerTheShrubber
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For some, sure. These people need to realize it's going to be difficult for most do it right out of college and not pay high rent/mortgage.
I know, dude. And it's a result of poor planning.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:20 am to pizzatiger
Or demand.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:21 am to pizzatiger
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And it's a result of poor planning.
I don't necessarily agree. I have zero issues with someone following their desires. Just don't complain when it costs more.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:25 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't necessarily agree. I have zero issues with someone following their desires. Just don't complain when it costs more.
So you think the massive suburban sprawl was a good idea?
It doesn't just exist. It accounts for most new housing of the past few decades. Almost nothing else was being built.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 10:28 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't necessarily agree. I have zero issues with someone following their desires. Just don't complain when it costs more.
Real estate developers went to that model because it was cheaper. The individuals at the local level charged with urban planning approved these idiotic proposals because they were paid off. They were bad for the customer, but because they were new and everything was going in that direction, if customers wanted a new house, that was the only choice in neighborhood style.
It's not shocking that in the 21st century, all of the areas that became "trendy" to get renovated all happen to be neighborhoods with street grids, walkability, and close proximity to shops and businesses.
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