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re: Midland (TX) Police Officer killed by man who thought his home was being burglarized

Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:31 am to
Posted by mametoo
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
3293 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:31 am to
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Amazing how many people support firing a gun at an unidentified target. 

Bunch of paranoid pussies ready to blast anything that goes bump in the night.


Nah, just a bunch of keyboard warriors trying to look tough hating cops.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477226 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:31 am to
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Are you required to openly welcome cops into your home?

i just read the OP but if a probation officer was along for the ride the shooter likely was on probation so...yes
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60938 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:32 am to
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You're going full retard here


No. Y’all are.

There are several reasons police can end up at a home ready to rush in. The alarm call is just one. Also, police aren’t supposed to rush in when an alarm goes off. They is an actual protocol when that happens. The homeowner is notified by several different means first. If they do not respond, The officers try to make contact from outside the home via a knock or call in.

They don’t break down the door unless there is indisputable proof the homeowner’s life is in danger.
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 7:48 am
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:33 am to
quote:

quote:
Are you required to openly welcome cops into your home?

quote:

i just read the OP but if a probation officer was along for the ride the shooter likely was on probation so...yes



When I read "probationary" police officer, I figured that was like a training officer. I don't think it had anything to do with anybody being a probation.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60938 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:33 am to
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I just read the OP but if a probation officer was along for the ride the shooter likely was on probation so...yes


Assuming this is the correct home
Posted by munchman
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
10371 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:34 am to
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Heidelberg, his probationary police officer and two additional officers loudly announced their presence to the homeowner,


His probation officer....This won’t end well.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:34 am to
quote:

Amazing how many people support firing a gun at an unidentified target.

Bunch of paranoid pussies ready to blast anything that goes bump in the night.


Aren't you a cop? Or is it another Feliciana fellow?

Regardless, this is an interesting rebuttal considering how many officers shoot and kill the wrong people every year.
Posted by shspanthers
Nashville, TN
Member since Sep 2007
900 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:34 am to
Like the other poster said, any intruder can just start yelling "police!" and shine a flashlight in your eyes so you can't tell if they're lying or not. I'd have to side with the homeowner if the case is as clear cut as the article makes it seem.

I sympathize with him because, given the normal conditions in our house at night (we've done nothing wrong, just the two of us in the same room), and I saw 4 or 5 people coming up the stairs hidden behind the glare a flashlight, I'd shoot regardless of what they said.

Why wouldn't they turn some lights on in the house to avoid confusion?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477226 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:34 am to
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When I read "probationary" police officer, I figured that was like a training officer. I don't think it had anything to do with anybody being a probation.

it said his probationary officer so i get it but i think it was P/P
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:34 am to
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Then you should hope there is never an emergency around your home while you sleep. No time for them to get a warrant if there is a fire, chemical spill, etc


I know, bullhorns and spotlights are so expensive. I don't know how Police Department's could possibly afford them.

Seriously, there are ways to make it obvious to a half-asleep homeowner that you're not some two-bit burglar trying to trick him into a false sense of security so you can cut his head off, frick his wife and eat his children.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:35 am to
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quote:
When I read "probationary" police officer, I figured that was like a training officer. I don't think it had anything to do with anybody being a probation.

quote:

it said his probationary officer so i get it but i think it was P/P



Yeah, his probationary officer is his trainee officer.

The article goes on to say that the officer who was killed was a Field Training Officer.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
139486 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:36 am to
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3 am. Woken up to the sound of several men breaking down your door. Blinded by flashlights. No context. You just hear “police” and you’re just supposed to trust this and comprehend this in a matter of seconds?

In YOUR home. You have every right to shoot unidentified targets if your life feels threatened.



Yeah really. People aren't thinking what might be going thru the guys mind, woken up to people entering his home, what is he supposed to do?

With that said, isn't the alarm company required to contact the owner prior to calling police, and I guess he could have had his phone on silence.

I think it's great that cops announce themselves when entering, but of what value is that? Any criminal could do the same.

Horrible situation for everyone involved it sounds like.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:36 am to
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They don’t break down the door unless there is indisputable proof the homeowner’s life is in danger.



Did they break down the door?
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60938 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:36 am to
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I think charging this guy with what we know is BS, but you're incorrect here. Exigent circumstances are a real thing, and an alarm call seems like a reasonable case.


I never said it wasn’t a “real” thing. I’m saying the burden of proof when using this reasoning falls on the state not the homeowner. Why is that so difficult to understand?

Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77270 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:36 am to
So, the homeowner wasn’t on probation?
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60938 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:37 am to
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Did they break down the door?


Did they not? We don’t know. If they did, it’s on the state to defend itself, not the homeowner.

If he shot the cop from inside the house while they were outside, the homeowner is screwed.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:38 am to
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So, the homeowner wasn’t on probation?


Nothing I read indicated that.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477226 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:38 am to
gotcha

yeah if probation isn't involved why the hell were cops busting in this random door?

i'm not justifying the shooting but if they didn't just kick in a door and act like rambo, nobody would have been shot for sure
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
27222 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:39 am to
Then homeowner is gonna get off because of that oil money.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
143849 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:39 am to
quote:

just read the OP but if a probation officer was


I inferred that to mean a newbie cop. But I’m not a fancy high priced attorney
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 7:51 am
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