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re: Midland (TX) Police Officer killed by man who thought his home was being burglarized
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:14 am to UPT
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:14 am to UPT
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Midland (TX) Police Officer killed by man who thought his home was being burglarized
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As an officer who's done this numerous times
How about if you don’t have a warrant, stay the frick off of my property in the middle of the night?
You sound like a complete arse. How about you appreciate someone risky their life for your property when the alarm YOU installed calls the police and tells them to come to your house. Maybe you should just handle your own problems frick head.
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:16 am to baldona
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Cop or not, you realize you can’t just shoot someone in your home right? You have to have some reason to believe your life is in danger and be able to identify your target.
Ole baw minding his own business, sleeping at home with his wife and kids. Next thing he knows he gets woken up by someone in his house shouting and shining flashlights, wife screaming, he grabs his gun and shoots what he thinks is an intruder. I dont think anybody believes he would have fired the shot if he had known it was a police officer, so it was just a tragic accident. I would have a hard time convicting someone and ruining theirs and their families lives in that situation.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:17 am to TigersSEC2010
Amazing how many people support firing a gun at an unidentified target.
Bunch of paranoid pussies ready to blast anything that goes bump in the night.
Bunch of paranoid pussies ready to blast anything that goes bump in the night.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:17 am to Choctaw
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They weren't "invading" a home. They responded to a burglary call. Call could've been made by the alarm company.
If they didn’t have a warrant and entered without permission, they were invading. Period.
We can argue “extenuating” circumstances all day but the legal question is: what’s the measurable line for those circumstances? An alarm company call?
Ok. And if they are wrong and someone gets shot...shouldn’t the worker who made the call be charged with manslaughter? Or the dispatcher if they were incorrect? Or the officers if it turns out they were incorrect?
How far do you want to take it? Think this through. Charging the homeowner for acting within their constitutional rights is obviously incorrect but it’s easy and low hanging fruit.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:18 am to crap4brain
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Ole baw minding his own business, sleeping at home with his wife and kids. Next thing he knows he gets woken up by someone in his house shouting and shining flashlights, wife screaming, he grabs his gun and shoots what he thinks is an intruder. I dont think anybody believes he would have fired the shot if he had known it was a police officer, so it was just a tragic accident. I would have a hard time convicting someone and ruining theirs and their families lives in that situation.
All of this. Sometimes it's just a tragic, yet understandable accident.
This idea that announcing your presence puts all the burden of proof on the homeowner is quite the slippery slope.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:19 am to Meauxjeaux
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What about the case when someone has broken into a home and some kid is hiding in the closet having dialed 911?
Should the cops not enter the property?
Cops are in a lose lose. I actually hope something happens to the people bashing police and these guys actually need an officer at their home and no one shows up.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:21 am to slackster
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All of this. Sometimes it's just a tragic, yet understandable accident.
This idea that announcing your presence puts all the burden of proof on the homeowner is quite the slippery slope.
Said they were responding to an Alarm. The company usually calls the place, no answer or don't know the code, they send the cops. Everyone should know this.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:21 am to slackster
I see they were responding to an alarm. I'd hope that the alarm company tried contacting the owner before calling the cops.
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 7:23 am
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:22 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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Amazing how many people support firing a gun at an unidentified target.
3 am. Woken up to the sound of several men breaking down your door. Blinded by flashlights. No context. You just hear “police” and you’re just supposed to trust this and comprehend this in a matter of seconds?
In YOUR home. You have every right to shoot unidentified targets if your life feels threatened.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:24 am to baldona
Even if there is more evidence a citizen will always be immediately arrested. If the roles and evidence are flipped any arrest if any doesn’t come till much later after an investigation.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:24 am to TigersSEC2010
The camera will be very important here
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:25 am to theunknownknight
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YOUR home. You have every right to shoot unidentified targets if your life feels threatened.
Uninstall your alarm. If you can't handle officers potentially responding to a call, take it out.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:26 am to dgnx6
Why don't the police ever try calling the homeowner on the phone to gauge the situation before entering? If you're knocking on the door and announcing your police presence, be prepared to also make a phone call.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:26 am to dgnx6
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Cops are in a lose lose. I actually hope something happens to the people bashing police
That’s a stupid thing to say. I’m not “bashing” police. I’m explaining the overreach of the system. The burden of proof should ALWAYS ALWAYS be on the state.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:28 am to GetBackToWork
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Uninstall your alarm. If you can't handle officers potentially responding to a call, take it out.
What’s the alarm got to do with it? What if a paranoid neighbor calls something in? Or a dispatcher gets a number wrong? Or a cop hears an address incorrectly?
It’s now the homeowner’s fault?
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:29 am to theunknownknight
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What’s the alarm got to do with it?
You're going full retard here
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:30 am to Beessnax
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I'll withhold judgement until more facts are known
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Really? You sure about that?
Don't you have some tickets to write or on you on the clock at home?
Beessnax, deep down, you are a real piece of shite, right? Because what the hell is wrong with withholding judgement until more facts are known?
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:30 am to theunknownknight
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If they didn’t have a warrant and entered without permission, they were invading. Period.
I think charging this guy with what we know is BS, but you're incorrect here. Exigent circumstances are a real thing, and an alarm call seems like a reasonable case.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:31 am to Cosmo
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This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 7:31 am
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:31 am to Cosmo
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Are you required to openly welcome cops into your home?
i would assume THIS GUY would be, because of this part of the story
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Heidelberg, his probationary police officer
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