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re: Michael Brown's mother can't handle the truth
Posted on 11/29/14 at 1:28 pm to TheSexecutioner
Posted on 11/29/14 at 1:28 pm to TheSexecutioner
POS thug Brown was clearly a ticking time bomb that would have found a reason to kill or severely injure someone in the near future, especially a cop daring to try to control him.
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Posted on 11/29/14 at 1:41 pm to TheSexecutioner
I don't think anybody will disagree with you that police officers need better training, and they should be held to a higher degree than most other professions. shite, back in college I did my public speaking final on that exact topic. I am a very big opponent of cop overreach and injustice.
But when a situation like this occurs, one in which a criminal thug attacks a cop and gets killed, it's pretty clear who was at fault. Whether you agree with how the cop approached the situation or not, he did not break any laws in doing so, and simply made an error in judgement. That shouldn't be any excuse for what Brown did. Once the situation unfolded, Wilson was fully justified in what he did.
But when a situation like this occurs, one in which a criminal thug attacks a cop and gets killed, it's pretty clear who was at fault. Whether you agree with how the cop approached the situation or not, he did not break any laws in doing so, and simply made an error in judgement. That shouldn't be any excuse for what Brown did. Once the situation unfolded, Wilson was fully justified in what he did.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 1:47 pm to TheSexecutioner
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This isn't as fluky of a situation as some people are making it out.
I guess in my world attacking a cop is kind of fluky. Different worlds maybe
Posted on 11/29/14 at 1:59 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Mother isn't being rational obviously but she has every right to be mad. Her son wouldn't be dead if Darren Wilson wasn't either a)an idiot or b) didn't give a shite about the prospects of having to kill someone as long as they were a TPOS
Are you black or a guilt ridden white? Are you ignorant of the facts, dumb as your com-padre, strongarm, or too dumb to understand police procedure?
In any case just keep on promoting dumbass mon's actions and creating racism.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 2:11 pm to StrongSafety
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Fergurson is a better place without that wimp of a cop patrolling their streets.
I was around before the '60s. I saw white only signs and burning crosses. I saw the post Martin Luther days starting in the '60s. I've seen the progress, worked with black people, for black people and some worked me. I served in the military side by side with black people. They had my back and I had theirs.
I reached a point of near neutrality on the race issue BUT each one of these outlandish displays of indescribable dumbass/ignorance/stupidity/did I mention dumbass makes me MORE racist than I have ever been. It sets race relations back by decades. It proves the point of avowed racists that the black man has REGRESSED since we have moved closer to equality.
Congratulations M.B. mom. Now I look at every black person with suspicion.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 2:21 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Why didn't the officer pull up further away? Would that not have been much smarter?
Police procedure. What does it matter. The cop is asking him to clear the street. His location has absolutely nothing to do with a thug reaching into the car. .... none. Conclusion: DW. was perfectly in the right to be where he was. Thug POS? Not so much.
What would have been smarter? Thug POS not being in the road, especially with a hand full of stolen cigars.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 2:24 pm to TheSexecutioner
quote:So now we treat every jaywalker like they are going to attack an officer.
Why even put yourself in that situation? Im not saying let him go. I just want somebody to give me a reason to pull up that close rather than a safe distance away where he can use his pepper spray, baton, locked door, call for backup, etc if things get physical.
Can you imagine the fricking shite storm if they made black jaywalkers drop and spread em, and approached em with a taser and mace at the ready.
Your argument proves why Brown should have been shot. Not why he shoud not have. He attacked two people in the matter of minutes, he played a dumb game, even after being SHOT he still attacked an officer.
You submit that problem was the officer being too close
, hell Brown sprinted at him when they had distance. Mike Brown made multiple decisions that led to his death.
By the way, what did the shop owner do wrong in his dealings with Brown? Surely he should no that all black guys are gonna walk in his store, rob him, and shove him in the throat.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 2:29 pm to LT
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TheSexecutioner
Are you some type of police officer? Like are your thoughts based in some type of training sop or are you just arm chair qbing, thinking out loud?
Exactly the opposite. What he does not know about law enforcement would fill volumes .... and he is too dumb to listen to those that do know. He dictates from the heart instead of asking from the head.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 2:34 pm to Walt OReilly
quote:Meh. SHE is a big party of the reason he's dead. I'm not giving her a pass. Sounds to me like she raised him too be an unaccountable thug.
Cut her some slack and show some compassion
Posted on 11/29/14 at 2:35 pm to bmy
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I'm of the opinion that it was all appropriate until the end. He defended himself appropriately but ultimately took it too far and did not intelligently use his weapon.
The man still had fast progress toward him. You decide in that situation if he is a moving dead man or still attacking.
Use your head people, use your head.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 2:41 pm to Redbone
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Why didn't the officer pull up further away? Would that not have been much smarter?
Police procedure. What does it matter.
Cleveland police officer shot 12 year old Tamir Rice immediately after leaving moving patrol car.... just police procedure.
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This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 11/29/14 at 2:42 pm to TheSexecutioner
quote:You should be happy, I would imagine 99.9997 percent of thugs, many who resist arrest, will NOT be shot today or this year.
Death is one of them. But that does not mean we can't as a society still try to have expectations for a high percentage of unarmed thugs fighting with cops who are arrested without having to use lethal force.
You should be happy, maybe we should be shooting more.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 2:49 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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Cleveland police officer shot 12 year old Tamir Rice immediately after leaving moving patrol car.... just police procedure.
Different case. Start a new thread. Any points to be made pertaining to this case?
Posted on 11/29/14 at 3:12 pm to Redbone
I have a feeling he hates the police... He's probably terribly conflicted on this deal because it's obvious the cop did what had to be done. Wants to throw a little shite the cops way and say they're under trained or all have geds or something equally silly.
Now, I'm purely speculating, or talking out of my arse... But I'd bet a dollar that's his angle.
Now, I'm purely speculating, or talking out of my arse... But I'd bet a dollar that's his angle.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 3:39 pm to Redbone
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Fergurson is a better place without that wimp of a cop patrolling their streets.
If this cop was a wimp, then he would have never approached him nor would he have confronted him. I know lots of cops that are wimps and they don't get involved in situations like this. They usually don't make it for very long either.
His tactics were fine. I talk to jay walkers all the time and if I called for back up every time then I would never get anything accomplished. Sometimes you don't have back up available. Sometimes you just have to handle dangerous situations by your self.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 11/29/14 at 4:13 pm to Redbone
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Any points to be made pertaining to this case?
Using "police procedure" as an excuse for murdering unarmed folks is a bad excuse.
If police procedure is the reason, maybe police procedure needs changing, ya think?
Another example, How A Police Officer Shot A Sleeping 7-Year-Old To Death, just police procedure
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Posted on 11/29/14 at 4:19 pm to LT
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I have a feeling he hates the police... He's probably terribly conflicted on this deal because it's obvious the cop did what had to be done. Wants to throw a little shite the cops way and say they're under trained or all have geds or something equally silly.
A person is free to hate police if they desire. I'm EXTREMELY aware they aren't perfect. I know many. High turnover. Pay is low and job is dangerous. The smart ones move up quickly. The street cop is very often new or not very smart, no straight A students there. Why? We don't pay enough taxes to hire Harvard lawyers. The high school thugs in my class became parish tractor drivers or cops. Why? That's what we pay for.
Do we want cops with higher intellect? Pay for it. Do we want better training? P{ay for it. Do we want to blame D.W. or in any way question his actions? Learn even just a little bit about law enforcement.
I have been very close to (percentage wise) almost as many cops as black people in my nearly 66 yrs. I know the mindset of both. Strongarm and sextutioner can never NEVER preach their babble to me. Did I mention never??
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 11/29/14 at 4:20 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
That was a horrible example and in no way is analogous to the Michael Brown situation.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 4:29 pm to LT
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I have a feeling he hates the police... He's probably terribly conflicted on this deal because it's obvious the cop did what had to be done. Wants to throw a little shite the cops way and say they're under trained or all have geds or something equally silly.
Now, I'm purely speculating, or talking out of my arse... But I'd bet a dollar that's his angle.
eh, I dont hate police. I hate the war on drugs and I hate how bad people suck at arguing fairly. I am surprised how many people hate the police for giving them speeding tickets when they speed but can't relate to a community that is terrorized by the cops for something as stupid as drugs hating the cops.
I hate how people stop even analyzing the situation once they have realize that the victim was a thug. I hate that people don't think there should be a way to consistently subdue unarmed suspects and that the police should be held to the standard of being able to do that. I hate how stupid the majority of the protestors are and how bad they are at logic and their terrible leadership.
But y'all seem to have that handled. Nobody here has offered me a satisfactory explanation for why he pulled into that vulnerable position with a guy that outweighed him by 100 pounds. Just strawman me when they have no clue what my take on the situation is outside of that.
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