- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Michael Brown's mother can't handle the truth
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:04 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:04 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
Do you believe he is not guilty of a crime?
Regardless of whether you think his actions were appropriate as a police officer, do you believe that Wilson possessed the requisite intent to murder Brown? Or was he in reasonable fear for his life and acting in self-defense?
He just said that he believed Wilson's life definitely wasn't threatened after the initial struggle. So of course he thinks he committed a crime. Crimes can still exist when there isn't enough evidence for convictions.
1
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:05 am to StrongSafety
quote:
Gun down fleeing victims.
Is that what you think happened here?
No objective support for it.
He either gunned down a surrendering victim (which would be a crime) or a charging suspect who'd previously attempted to disarm the officer (not a crime).
It can't be the "fleeing" version (which was the initial narrative, and the "Ace Midnight" rule is that the first version of the story is always wrong.)
So which is it, SS - was he surrendering or charging? (Because he wasn't fleeing. Drop that unless you can support it.)
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:06 am to StrongSafety
quote:
The evidencd fits his description of the crime, but with the discrepancies in the case, you'd think that they would least take the case to trial to settle it our. He would have been found not guilty must likely
Waste resources on a trial to disprove Dorian's eye witness account for the purpose of appeasing liberals and the blacks who have chosen to ignore the facts of the case? Sounds like a brilliant idea Eric Holder.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:07 am to roadGator
wilson should have never been able to leave the scene of tbe crime by himself, right after the shooting. How is that a permissible protocol? I've never heard of a murder suspect being trusted to drive himself away from the scene in a cop car. You could make an argument that they were covering for his arse right there.
Also, what DNA was found on the gun? Was it blood or was it fingerprints ?
Well they never checked the gun for finger prints. So that cause some doubt for me. It is possible that Browns blood is on the gun. That does not mean he grabbed. He was shot at close range that might explain it. Remember his DNa was found in the car, and it was his smeared blood.
Also, what DNA was found on the gun? Was it blood or was it fingerprints ?
Well they never checked the gun for finger prints. So that cause some doubt for me. It is possible that Browns blood is on the gun. That does not mean he grabbed. He was shot at close range that might explain it. Remember his DNa was found in the car, and it was his smeared blood.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:07 am to TheSexecutioner
quote:
He just said that he believed Wilson's life definitely wasn't threatened after the initial struggle.
What would have constituted a threat from Brown to Wilson's life? Would he have actually had to disarm him to constitute a lethal threat or merely threaten to? Would he have had to actually fire Wilson's weapon at Wilson or merely point the weapon at him in a menacing way?
At what point could Brown's actions have consituted a reasonable threat to Wilson's life?
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 10:08 am
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:10 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
How so? His story was he got jumped. Guy went for his gun. Charged him. He fired until threat was neutralized (actually, I think he fired the weapon dry, but I'm not 100% on that).
I'm not saying it happened exactly that way, but if it did, Wilson was completely justified - and at least some of the witnesses supported this version. The objective evidence certainly did. Even an unarmed suspect is a threat if he has shown the willingness and ability to arm himself.
The decedent made 2 mistakes - he attempted to disarm the officer and he failed.
Because he pulled his car up aggressively (by his own admission it was to cut them off physically. I consider that aggressive even if he isn't trying to instigate anything) to a 6'5" 300 pound man knowing he had no taser and positioned himself in an incredibly vulnerable position.
Did he think he would win that fight? He put himself in a position that IF Brown resisted and fought him, he would have no choice but to shoot him. There were so many better ways to handle it that could leave outs for taking a non-lethal defensive position or calling backup. And there was ZERO benefit for pulling up that close except stroking his ego maybe.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:10 am to lsutothetop
quote:
THRICE
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:19 am to TheSexecutioner
quote:
Because he pulled his car up aggressively
He was trying to take control of the situation until help could arrive - they probably teach that.
quote:
Did he think he would win that fight?
Why investigate crime at all, then? "Oh. This robber is too big, guys. Let's just let him have a pass. Armed or not, he's just too much for any one of us."
quote:
calling backup.
He did call backup. They were there in like 90 seconds - all of that is pretty compressed there in Ferguson.
I agree it might have been prudent to wait for backup, but, he's a cop the subjects were right there - he would only have to hold them at gunpoint for a few minutes. He figured the biggest threat was them running in different directions. He absolutely did not expect a unarmed subject to fight him for control of his weapon.
But, you can play the what if game forever - without rewinding time and assessing the situation from his perspective at the time - I can't say he was flat out wrong, other than he got a negative result - a negative result that could easily have been avoided by Michael Brown.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:24 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
He figured the biggest threat was them running in different directions
Which is why he's an idiot. Being pinned in a car with the window down and a loaded weapon inside that is being hovered over by a 6'5" 300 pound man and there is no option of retreat OR two suspects who were walking in the middle of a street clearly making no attempt to sneak away evading the police.
I can't imagine how anybody would ever assess the guys getting away as the bigger threat.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:31 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
Why investigate crime at all, then? "Oh. This robber is too big, guys. Let's just let him have a pass.
=/=
quote:
Armed or not, he's just too much for any one of us."
Do you understand the concept of backup? Its so that situations like this can be handled with the smallest chance of death or serious injury on both sides. "Armed or not, he's just too much for any one of us" should be an assessment frequently made by good police officers. This would have probably been a good time for it.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:32 am to StrongSafety
quote:
That's right, you "men" judge the situation 100x harsher when it's black people involved. Sad thing is you don't even realize it
Is it possible that this situation is judged 100X harsher because there is a video of the guy strong arming a local shop keeper right before the incident happened?
Is there maybe a slim chance that the exponentially harsher judgement may actually be the result of two autopsies, one by the city, and one paid for by the family showing the dude as the aggressor?
Bro, I get your shtick...
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:37 am to TheSexecutioner
quote:
Sucking at your job as a police officer can be a lot more costly than as a McDonalds worker
He was a officer for 6 years and never received any discipline nor did anyone complain on him. Sounds like he did a good job. He also assisted in helping a 2 month old baby the call before at the same time Brown was stealing and assaulting the store owner.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:39 am to TheSexecutioner
quote:
Because he pulled his car up aggressively
Police officers are allowed to do that... sorry if that displeases you.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:40 am to TheSexecutioner
quote:
TheSexecutioner
Are you some type of police officer? Like are your thoughts based in some type of training sop or are you just arm chair qbing, thinking out loud?
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:58 am to TheSexecutioner
At the end of the day, the thug pos is off the streets and can never commit another crime. He has only himself to blame for being dead. The world is a better place without him.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 11:08 am to Rex
quote:
Police officers are allowed to do that... sorry if that displeases you.
What does that even mean? Do you think I'm advocating laws against cops pulling up somewhere? Officers are allowed to do a lot of things that aren't smart in any given scenario.
Only reason I can think of is that he had an ego and wanted to show how he doesn't put up with any shite. So I think he instigated him. Brown is still in the wrong and received a possible consequence that he knew about but why are we standing up for police officers who are instigating shite and trying to be hard asses? Nobody was being protected or served by him acting aggressively towards Brown.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 11:16 am
Posted on 11/29/14 at 11:29 am to TheSexecutioner
What are you talking about? He was investigating a crime and the suspect matched the description. Are cops supposed to avoid arresting suspects because they look scary? That doesn't sound right.
Also, this is the first time the officer has fired his weapon on the job. Stop trying to make him sound like a trigger happy douche.
Also, this is the first time the officer has fired his weapon on the job. Stop trying to make him sound like a trigger happy douche.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 11:29 am to tiger81
I've held my fire on this for weeks, because frankly I try to live a life of Uplift, and don't like to expend energy thinking about the endless parade of shitbags in American culture.
Michael Brown was nurtured in an environment in which social pathologies are not only accepted, but actually celebrated as a high expression of self. Even by his own mother. Hell, especially by his own mother.
He was created, watered daily by his friends and his family. Along with him, they are responsible for his ignominious and pitiful death. He got exactly what societies have prescribed to violent victimizers since mankind left the caves. He thought he was somehow immune from The Laws Of Nature & Man and then things suddenly and unexpectedly went black.
frick him and his shitty family. There are too many people out there struggling on a daily basis and doing the right thing to worry about those who make victims of all the decent people for sport.
America is better off without him, and his shitty, bottom-feeding violent family, that would take your shite in a New York second by force, because they can.
Deal with it.
Michael Brown was nurtured in an environment in which social pathologies are not only accepted, but actually celebrated as a high expression of self. Even by his own mother. Hell, especially by his own mother.
He was created, watered daily by his friends and his family. Along with him, they are responsible for his ignominious and pitiful death. He got exactly what societies have prescribed to violent victimizers since mankind left the caves. He thought he was somehow immune from The Laws Of Nature & Man and then things suddenly and unexpectedly went black.
frick him and his shitty family. There are too many people out there struggling on a daily basis and doing the right thing to worry about those who make victims of all the decent people for sport.
America is better off without him, and his shitty, bottom-feeding violent family, that would take your shite in a New York second by force, because they can.
Deal with it.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 11:30 am to TheSexecutioner
quote:
Only reason I can think of is that he had an ego and wanted to show how he doesn't put up with any shite. So I think he instigated him.
Instigated, as in apprehend the suspect?
I'm not a copper so I don't know if they should pull up close or not... I assume they want to be right there to stop folks from fleeing...
I'll ask again, are you some type of law enforcement official with training to say the way the popo pulled up on him was wrong or are you speculating with what you think he should have done with nothing on which to base your opinion?
Posted on 11/29/14 at 11:33 am to LT
Events like this really bring out the stupid in people. Ie. Sexecutioner and Strong Safety
Page 10 of 17
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News