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re: Meetings for Nicholson Tram scheduled this week.

Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:24 pm to
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:24 pm to
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If you think anyone in their right mind would ride a bike down that stretch of Nicholson or Highland, especially at night after drinking, then you are nuts.



Imagine some hot, drunk sorostitutes riding bikes at 2 AM down that stretch

When it comes to bars, the trick is to attract hot women. That's when bars succeed. There are no hot college chicks getting all dressed up for a night out at the bars that are going to hop on a fricking bike for 3.4 miles through the hood
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36525 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:25 pm to
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Jesus,it's 3.4 miles....ride a fricking bike


But it's only going to cost 100 million dollars and the Feds are going to fund most of that.

Why shouldn't we suck on the Federal teat every chance we can get?

Seriously, if the Feds have 100 million to throw away, I'd ask them to throw it away on I-10 between the Miss River Bridge and the I-10/I-12 split but I'm not a visionary.

I think that mess scares people away from downtown BR more than anything.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:26 pm to
I get that. I guess im just referring back to the last thread on this.

I know where the money is coming from but I think it could be put to better use. If we fail at this, you can say goodbye to the next pile of money that might be coming our way. Use this in an area that could use it more, like the Govt street area. Let that be a success and then work on the LSU tram.

For the people that work downtown but dont live there, they arent using this tram. Why would they unless they lived on the rute?

Like Tittle or Russian said, this will probably only benefit a handful of people.

I am all for improving the area and I live here but I think this is going about it the wrong way
Posted by GeorgeReymond
Buckhead
Member since Jan 2013
10188 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:27 pm to
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Who is going to occupy the Water Campus? Why do they need a Tram to get to LSU or to Downtown?


Good question. The majority of the complex will consist of research based operations. However, there will be a hotel, apartments, restaurants, office space for rent, etc. Here's the restaurant that will be located right off River Rd.




Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:27 pm to
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I have discovered bikes are beneath BR residents.



you did not discover this info. it was given to you forcefully
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:27 pm to
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I think that mess scares people away from downtown BR more than anything.



The limited options downtown, the hood surrounding it, and the shitty public transportation in Baton Rouge is what limits downtown.

My opinion is fixing the latter 2 will fix the former.

But, that's like, my opinion, man.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:29 pm to
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I know where the money is coming from but I think it could be put to better use. If we fail at this, you can say goodbye to the next pile of money that might be coming our way. Use this in an area that could use it more, like the Govt street area. Let that be a success and then work on the LSU tram.



No median.

quote:

Like Tittle or Russian said, this will probably only benefit a handful of people.


As it currently sits, it will only benefit a couple dozen a day for work reaosns.

However, it will be used a lot more by college students who spend money downtown. It will also be a lot more beneficial once all the developments are finished along that stretch.

Having reliable transportation to housing from downtown could also help attract new non-bar/restaurant businesses to the area.


ETA:

It won't "fail". Its federal money and I think we should capitalize on the opportunity to do this if they are willing to fund it. That price is actually cheaper than I thought it'd be.

This post was edited on 2/29/16 at 3:31 pm
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3028 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:30 pm to
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It's hard to envision, though, how long it could possibly take for a two mile or so stretch of town that is now basically a dead zone to have enough population to justify the huge expense of and realistically support such an endeavor.


I'm sure it's going to take twice as long as investors say it's going to take right now. However, I think this is an important stretch for the city to "get right".

The one thing that Baton Rouge does at a "world class" level is host college football games/tailgating. Every year I meet people who have no association with LSU or even the visiting school who are just trying to check an SEC game/tailgate off of their bucket list. They've just read on some national publication that LSU is the best in the business.

It's in the city's best interest to make that experience (even if it is only 7 Saturday's per year) the best it can be. This includes quick connectivity to/from downtown. A tourist stuck in traffic or waiting for an uber is a tourist that's not spending money. Downtown is fairly quiet after the games, even if the hotels are at 80%+ capacity.

Benefit to the locals would come immediately on park/ride situations on gameday, LSU students looking for a night on the town, park/ride situations for major downtown events, etc.

All of this is probably not enough to justify the cost of the tram. The cost of the tram gets justified when enough gentrification/infilling occurs on that corridor that we have 10k+ people that can perform a good deal of their daily activities not tying up roadways, thus reducing the need for extra highway mileage and lanes.

That, however, is probably a long time off....
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36525 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:33 pm to
Thxs for the map. Looks cool, and I sure hope it goes. I know the state and LSU have helped start things, but it seems like developers will need to get involved in a big way.

I see three parking garages, so these folks won't be interested in the Tram very much. Maybe the apartment dwellers would use it some, and LSU people could ride their on occasion to visit, etc.

Maybe a Tram is what this thing needs to go, but frankly I think it makes it on its own (ala Perkins-Rowe or the MOL) or it fails as Catfish town did.

The key is to get private developers involved.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:34 pm to
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I think it makes it on its own (ala Perkins-Rowe or the MOL) or it fails as Catfish town did.


I think the tram makes it work and reduces risk of these developments falling on their face.

I know as a real estate developer, I would be very excited about the tram if I was looking to develop on that stretch.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36525 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:35 pm to
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My opinion is fixing the latter 2 will fix the former.


So when the Mrs. and I want to go out to eat and we jump in our car out here in the suburbs, the fact that there is gridlock on the bridge and its approaches shouldn't scare us off?
Posted by shrevetigertom
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2005
4048 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:37 pm to
New housing along the corridor would have the beneficial effect of providing the inhabitants of the surrounding hood plenty of burglary opportunities.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:39 pm to
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So when the Mrs. and I want to go out to eat and we jump in our car out here in the suburbs, the fact that there is gridlock on the bridge and its approaches shouldn't scare us off?


I'm saying that's a separate issue which is far more expensive and would do almost nothing to connect LSU, the middle areas of Nicholson and downtown, which is the goal.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
53479 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:40 pm to
Hopefully it'll have a bike rack on the front for all the stolen bikes
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36525 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:42 pm to
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I know as a real estate developer, I would be very excited about the tram if I was looking to develop on that stretch


Certainly the more infrastructure the govt. pays for means the less you have to pay for.

If the Tram is there its better for you than if no Tram was there.

But it would also guide you as to what you wanted to develop.

For instance, I'd put an average scale bar on the route before I'd put an upscale bar and grille. Students like to party, but they don't frequent upscale places as a rule.

I might put up a hotel to take advantage of the easy transportation to LSU for football, etc. or to downtown for dining and nightlife.

The Tram is definitely a plus, but then you go back to the big question; why do these property owners get a Tram and others do not. Would a Tram connecting midtown with downtown be better?

In other words if we are applying for a 100 million dollar Tram paid for by the Feds, is this the best choice? NBR are already mad they are being left out. Is this more of the same to help the downtown crowd and not them?
Posted by TigerRob20
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2008
3732 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:42 pm to
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I know as a real estate developer, I would be very excited about the tram if I was looking to develop on that stretch.



I would imagine the private development already started had to know this project was almost a sure thing.

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36525 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:44 pm to
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I'm saying that's a separate issue which is far more expensive and would do almost nothing to connect LSU, the middle areas of Nicholson and downtown, which is the goal.


You said it not me.

Who has the goal to connect LSU, Nicholson and downtown? Could it be the downtown business owners and developers along Nicholson?

People are starting to ask, why does it always seem to help the same people?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36525 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:44 pm to
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I would imagine the private development already started had to know this project was almost a sure thing


The developer who bought much of the property on the West side of Nicholson already went under.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11493 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:47 pm to
I think the businesses and property owners downtown should fund this if they want it so badly. Maybe a sales and property tax to at least fund initial capital expenditures.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11493 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:49 pm to
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Seriously, if the Feds have 100 million to throw away, I'd ask them to throw it away on I-10 between the Miss River Bridge and the I-10/I-12 split but I'm not a visionary.


I just don't see why we don't have a better system for removing wrecks and broken down vehicles. I think we need to fine anyone involved in a stalled vehicle or wreck $1,000 to help pay for this system. If you are a commercial vehicle then the fine should be tripled.
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