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re: Medication for Autistic Meltdowns?

Posted on 11/13/21 at 9:40 am to
Posted by Passing Wind
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Posted on 11/13/21 at 9:40 am to
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this is the first time I’ve seen scruffy use I
Posted by Tempratt
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/13/21 at 9:43 am to
I’m sorry. I can only imagine how it must be terrible not being able to help him during one these attacks.

Hope he is well.
Posted by SECdragonmaster
Order of the Dragons
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 11/13/21 at 9:51 am to
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Thank you. May have to consider CBD gummies.


You are welcome.

You have about a 30% chance of success with them.

But please don’t be fearful of using medications. When prescribed at correct dosing for correct intervals (while targeting behaviors with therapy and exposure) - they are very successful.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 11/13/21 at 10:00 am to
Sport, you’ve been heavy on my thoughts. Keep on keeping on. And you’ll have the chance eventually to make amends with your Pop. Thanks for what you add here. It is noticed and appreciated.

Some of your excellent photography is always welcomed.

Posted by mmmmmbeeer
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Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 11/13/21 at 10:08 am to
There's an irrefutable amount of anecdotal evidence that CBD/weed has an incredibly positive impact on the children exhibiting the exact behavior you describe. I would absolutely, 100% at least give it try or, at minimum, do some personal research and form your own opinion.

Here's one article from Vice describing the exact destructive, dangerous behavior you describe and the impact legal CBD had on the child's behavior during outbursts.

There's a ton more information out there. There's a good reason that perfectly normal, upstanding citizens with no history or past of drug abuse are crossing state lines to obtain medical marijuana for their autistic children. It's sad that they have to put themselves in legal jeopardy to obtain safe and effective treatment for their children but I suppose it is what it is.
Posted by Strannix
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 11/13/21 at 10:09 am to
Do you use the joint massage technique?
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 11/13/21 at 10:23 am to
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There's an irrefutable amount of anecdotal evidence that CBD/weed has an incredibly positive impact on the children exhibiting the exact behavior you describe
As a previous poster noted, maybe in the minority of cases.
Posted by ducktale
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 11/13/21 at 10:41 am to
Try beating his arse. Worked on me. Throwing a fit is one thing. Hurting others during it is belt worthy.
Posted by DoItDoug
Member since Sep 2018
409 posts
Posted on 11/13/21 at 10:56 am to
Risperidone

Clonidine hcl
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 11/13/21 at 10:57 am to
God bless your family
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 11/13/21 at 10:58 am to
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ducktale
get lost Bozo
Posted by WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 11/13/21 at 11:01 am to
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including in the middle of a meltdown?


I don't think it's beyond reason to think that a grown man can restrain an 8 year old boy for the few seconds that it would take to deliver an injection into a large muscle group.

Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 11/13/21 at 11:08 am to
Daily meds: guanfacine, citalopram, risperdal at night, listed in order of least to most psychiatrically invasive.

you can try prn hydroxyzine (vistaril) or even a low dose benzo for extreme situations (i.e. meltdowns mid airplane flight).
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 11/13/21 at 11:11 am to
Would start with guanfacine. It’s an alpha blocker like clonidine, but won’t drop his BP significantly. This is usually started at night, working up to tid dosing.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 11/13/21 at 11:27 am to
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Is Scruffy having reading comprehension issues this morning?
Were you having reading comprehension issues?

The entire discussion is about medications to give during an episode of agitation.

Why would you believe my comments had anything to do with anything beyond that?
Posted by SECdragonmaster
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 11/13/21 at 11:39 am to
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There's an irrefutable amount of anecdotal evidence that CBD/weed has an incredibly positive impact on the children exhibiting the exact behavior you describe


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As a previous poster noted, maybe in the minority of cases.


Correct. But when it works, it’s works fantastic.
Posted by DeepBlueSea
Member since Jan 2018
815 posts
Posted on 11/13/21 at 11:48 am to
I saw a lot of posters mention CBD oil or gummies. In our experience they did appear to decrease the frequency and severity of meltdowns, and we’ve never seen any negatives to using them (although the good ones are not cheap, so there’s that).

The other question I’d ask — which would probably sound ridiculous if I didn’t have kid on the spectrum myself —is do you notice (or have you ever looked for) any sort of pattern in relation to his meal or snack times? My ASD kid is highly verbal, but it took us years (like, A LOT) to figure out that she literally could not tell us when she was getting hungry or thirsty, or when her blood sugar was wonky. It was like everything was fine, and then *blam* … she went straight from zero to hangry. But I’m talking hangry on steroids, not the grumpy, crying, or even tantrum-y thing that most kids would have going on.

So eventually it started to dawn on me that these out-of-nowhere meltdowns tended to happen when she’d gone a little longer without food or juice or whatever. The problem at first was that once the cycle began, there was still no way to interrupt it because it was freaking impossible to get her eat or drink anything in that state, even if you thought you were catching the whole implosion in its first few seconds. You were just doomed to an hour or more of absolute hell no matter what you did.

What I ended up doing until she probably hit 12-13 years old was to basically set a schedule where I just put something out for her (meal, light snack, juice box, etc.) at least every couple hours, regardless of what she said or how she acted. I didn’t even really comment on it other than, “Here, I thought you might be ready for this soon.” Interestingly, if I just acted very matter-of-fact and set it down within reach, within a minute or two she’d pick it up and eat or drink. At school, we explained all this to teachers and admin, and they were always accommodating even without “formal” documentation because it was such an easy thing to do and it made such a big difference in classroom management.

She’s in high school now and I still do it occasionally, because it just keeps things 1000 times more stable overall. It’s utterly bizarre when I think about it, because this kid was speaking in complex sentences at like 16 months old and is an extremely gifted writer … but she either couldn’t understand or couldn’t express something as fundamental as hunger pangs, which children who were far younger and less articulate do with relative ease. She’s made great progress since then, but communicating anything that’s happening within her own mind or body still presents a struggle and likely always will.

There were still some meltdowns at times, obviously, but they were easier to anticipate (and sometimes prevent) once we figured out how to counteract one of the biggest and most ethereal antecedents. This strategy may or may not have the same effect on your son, but I would think it’s at least worth a try — especially since there just aren’t that many great alternatives, sadly. There’s also a chance it could spark a similar “lightbulb” moment for you that would make a difference.

Wishing you and your family the best. My kid with ASD is wise, good-hearted, hilarious, and highly talented in a lot of surprising and unique ways, but you can wholeheartedly love and appreciate your kids just as they are and still acknowledge that the road you’re all traveling together can be an exceptionally demanding one too.
Posted by ellishughtiger
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Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 11/13/21 at 12:04 pm to
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could try marijuana.


This

There’s a great Vice episode about medicating children w/ autism MJ.

LINK
Posted by Tigergal79
Member since Oct 2019
54 posts
Posted on 11/13/21 at 12:07 pm to
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A belt?


I know you think you are being cute, that’s probably the worst thing you can do with autistic kids.
Plenty ways to discipline without beating them.
Posted by drunkenpunkin
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
7662 posts
Posted on 11/13/21 at 12:08 pm to
Son #2 did very well with Risperdal. But it's not a long term fix as side effects are too significant. Son #1 didn't do well with it at all. Just zombie him out.

Word of advice, watch who you talk to about medication. Some parents have very strong opinions and will ostracize you for even mentioning it.
This post was edited on 11/13/21 at 12:44 pm
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