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re: McKnight shooter released from custody...Cliffnotes of Normand press conf inside

Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:00 pm to
Posted by BgJag
United States
Member since Mar 2008
179 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:00 pm to
quote:

Will smiths killer followed Smith, got out if his car and approached an unarmed Smith and shot him in the back as well as his unarmed wife sitting in the passenger seat. Much different secnario.


He followed only after a hit and run incident. I believe Will had a weapon also. Not sure which weapon his wife was shot with.
Posted by PointsInCase
Member since Dec 2009
698 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:05 pm to
quote:

Please state those facts. Thanks.


Facts (based on reasonable evidence):
-Previous road rage incident for Gasser.
-Shooting four miles from initial incident.
-Cars parallel to one another at intersection.
-One man armed (Gasser). Other man unarmed (McKnight).
-One man in his car. One man outside his car and at passenger window of other car.
-No apparent damage to window or vehicle.
-No indication Gasser was assaulted.
-Multiple shots fired. Suspect hit three times.

There are no facts to suggest Gasser was under extreme duress. Whether he had the legal right to shoot is not what I'm debating. We don't have enough facts to make that assessment. My assessment is that Gasser is an idiot for allowing the situation to escalate into a shooting. Read my posts. They have been consistent with this idea since my first post earlier this evening. I have not once stated I believe Gasser is guilty, only that he is stupid.
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 9:17 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:06 pm to
I suggest you continue to concentrate on your current means of livelihood while the sun is up.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298930 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:07 pm to
There are no facts to suggest he wasn't under duress.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:13 pm to
Where are the facts that you said point to Gasser being an idiot?

Thanks. I'll wait.
Posted by PointsInCase
Member since Dec 2009
698 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:15 pm to
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There are no facts to suggest he wasn't under duress.


Straw man argument. I didn't say duress. I said extreme duress.

His window was rolled down. Victim approached from passenger side. Victim was unarmed. No apparent damage to vehicle.
Posted by PointsInCase
Member since Dec 2009
698 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:16 pm to
quote:

I suggest you continue to concentrate on your current means of livelihood while the sun is up.


I suggest you stop believing what you want to believe instead of what is likely to be true.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298930 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:21 pm to
quote:


His window was rolled down. Victim approached from passenger side. Victim was unarmed. No apparent damage to vehicle


You are so naive, and biased

None of that suggests he may not have been under EXTREME duress. You're twisting inconsequential things to build a narrative in your mind
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92903 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:21 pm to
quote:

It points to the possibility that McKnight was not the only aggressor


Were others involved besides McKnight and Gasser or do you not know what "aggressor" means?
Posted by PointsInCase
Member since Dec 2009
698 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:26 pm to
quote:

You are so naive, and biased

None of that suggests he may not have been under EXTREME duress. You're twisting inconsequential things to build a narrative in your mind



You're operating under the assumption that judges and juries have all the facts in front of them. They never do. Assessments must be made based on the limited information that is available.

My assessment is based on the limited information we have available at this time. My assessment may change when we get new information.

Whether or not the victim was armed is not inconsequential. The proximity of the victim is not inconsequential. Have you ever been to a court room?
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:26 pm to
He is some special kind of stupid. I've seen a lot os shite on this board but I think this moron takes the cake.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92903 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:27 pm to
quote:

None of that suggests he may not have been under EXTREME duress. You're twisting inconsequential things to build a narrative in your mind



No shite! I mean if anyone who has ever been to worldstarhiphip sees a black male between 13-30 coming at them even slightly pissed off over something that most people would not think is a big deal they have every right to fear for their lives and defend themselves accordingly. There are videos of black males attaching white people for no reason posted on the internet all day long, every day. It is gonna make some white people scared and want to defend themselves.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:28 pm to
quote:

I suggest you stop believing what you want to believe instead of what is likely to be true.


I don't "want" to believe anything. That's you.
Posted by PointsInCase
Member since Dec 2009
698 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:28 pm to
quote:

Were others involved besides McKnight and Gasser or do you not know what "aggressor" means?


Aggressor is not a mutually exclusive descriptive term in a conflict. There can be two aggressors, one aggressor, or no aggressors in a conflict.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:28 pm to
quote:

by PointsInCase



About those facts that point to Gasser being an idiot. Where can I find them?
Posted by PointsInCase
Member since Dec 2009
698 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:30 pm to
quote:

I don't "want" to believe anything. That's you.


You are giving the benefit of the doubt that Gasser is not an idiot despite strong evidence that suggests he is stupid. That is you believing the unlikely based on personal bias in favor of Gasser.

Again, I haven't condemned Gasser. He may well have been within the confines of the law to do what he did. But the evidence we have suggests he dumb to end up in that situation.
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 9:32 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:33 pm to
quote:

You are giving the benefit of the doubt that Gasser is not an idiot despite strong evidence that suggests he is. That's you believing the unlikely based on personal bias.


There's not strong evidence to suggest he is. There is your bias to suggest he is. If the evidence shows in the next week that he's an idiot, I won't have an issue saying "he's an idiot." You won't likely be able to ever say it wasn't his fault no matter what evidence comes out. I wish you luck in your quest.
Posted by Mouth
Member since Jan 2008
23079 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:33 pm to
quote:

There are no facts to suggest Gasser was under extreme duress




All the facts aren't even out yet. Like Normand said, stop assuming you know anything.

He even said he wishes he could tell the public what he knows right now. Insinuating that Gasser is acting within the law.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:33 pm to
quote:

About those facts that point to Gasser being an idiot. Where can I find them?


Hurr durr. He shot a guy. Idiot. Idiot.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34219 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:34 pm to
quote:

-No apparent damage to window or vehicle.
-No indication Gasser was assaulted.

uh, these are not even remotely 'facts'
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