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re: Maybe we can all agree... There is a culture problem... It's not racism.

Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:23 am to
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68460 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:23 am to
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That'd be like me going up to you and saying "Hey, I noticed you didn't call me a 'n-word' and threaten to hang me from a tree. My family and I just wanted to come thank you in person."

Sorry but I found this funny as hell so props to you Sir!
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
49999 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:25 am to
Sounds good. I think a culture that maximizes human flourishing to the fullest is the most superior culture.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464873 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:26 am to
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How's the weather in that bubble you live in?

we're the least racist nation on earth and likely the least racist nation in the history of the world

we ain't perfect but institutional racism is pretty dead and as the "greatest generation" dies out we will lose a majority of our private racists

with each generation we get a lot better. once the boomers die out racism is going to be seriously confined to VERY small areas
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20334 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:27 am to
I disagree strongly. Music "artists", especially of the hip hop variety are viewed by many as demigods.

They garbage in he lyrics these days is appalling. Young girls who exclusively listen to it are raised to believe they can sex or strip thier way to thier dreams....

The partying, clubbing, drugs, sex, stripping, cussing, killing, slanging, and lack of proper English is glorified.

I'd be willing to bet I could convince people that hip hop in fact has morphed into a religion.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:29 am to
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How's the weather in that bubble you live in?


Well at least Tuscaloosa meant well. Most who pretend to believe this are straight up lying.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85434 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:30 am to
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Their culture is a response to slavery/discrimination and can be traced back to it. Only time will change it


I dont buy into this bullshite. What people havent been discriminated against?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464873 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:31 am to
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Sounds good. I think a culture that maximizes human flourishing to the fullest is the most superior culture.

i agree

that requires property rights and economic liberty. the rest basically sorts itself out

but on a meta level, the issues is subsidizing those who aren't capable of joining/leading this development. that shite compounds over time and becomes its own culture. this isn't a black-urban thing, either. you go to a trailer park and you'll see the same bullshite where education is criticized and associated with feminine values. you'll see a culture that looks to physical superiority and aggression as the symbol of value.

i used to call this "lower class mentality" but i just call it trash culture now. when this becomes your dominant culture, those within the culture reject these advancements. what they value will be what they see the others can't do. manual labor. physical might. risk-taking behavior. this compounds their economic abilities and then they blame their decreased economic value on others. arguing with rednecks about this shite is the goddamned worst.
Posted by BigSquirrel
Member since Jul 2013
1880 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:31 am to
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The attirudes on this board are why race relations "are widening."


Totally untrue. Race relations are widening because white Americans are tired of giving the lower class a free ride while seeing their quality of life diminish. The sad thing is too many people do exactly what the OP is confronting. They assign race to culture and to class. I don't hate black people specifically. I like to think that I hate everyone equally. White trash, go stink and steal crap from some place else. Black people, get a job and quit trying to cheat the government. And both a y'all, don't live in a trailer and own four wheelers or a pimped out car, it's fricking stupid.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61034 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:32 am to
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we're the least racist nation on earth and likely the least racist nation in the history of the world




come on now

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we ain't perfect but institutional racism is pretty dead and as the "greatest generation" dies out we will lose a majority of our private racists


nope

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with each generation we get a lot better.


a little bit sure but it aint as dead as you think

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once the boomers die out racism is going to be seriously confined to VERY small areas


nope, it'll take more than just the boomers dying off.

sorry but I've seen too many people (white, black, brown, yellow, red) spew vile vitriol for that to be even close to true.
This post was edited on 3/16/15 at 10:33 am
Posted by yankeeundercover
Buffalo, NY
Member since Jan 2010
36419 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:33 am to
Well said. Have an upvote, sir.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464873 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:34 am to
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come on now

what is so funny?

europe is racist as shite (and they hate a lot more than just black people). asia is super racist. the middle east constantly wars over race and ethnic issues. latin america has the same "white/black" issues we have, but with a legit institutionalized system behind it. austrailia? nope they're racist as fricking shite, too (against blacks and aboriginees). so...canada? they may beat us, but they aren't very diverse and they are complete assholes to the minorities that live there (mainly natives and chinese transplants on the west coast)

Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:34 am to
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we ain't perfect but institutional racism is pretty dead and as the "greatest generation" dies out we will lose a majority of our private racists


The median age of the OT is likely in the lower 30s (or lower) and I would bet that the board's rate of 4 years or more of university education is 3-4 times the national average. I keep harping on it, but from yesterday through today 61 posters upvoted a White Nationalist missive that could have been penned by a phrenologist 150 years ago. I'm happy to pull some of the highlights form the post (it's quite long) and spell out the implicaitons of some of its claims.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464873 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:37 am to
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but from yesterday through today 61 posters upvoted a White Nationalist missive that could have been penned by a phrenologist 150 years ago.

a. i bet the vast majority of them didn't read the whole thing. it didn't get really racist until about 2/3 in (when it dismissed culture)

b. upvotes/downvotes is a terrible way to look at things, esp since thousands of people likely read that post. reddit is terrible. don't defend reddit

what i can submit to you is the MULTITUDE of threads on this board that attack white trash just as harshly as black trash is attacked

and like i said last night. there are some things that go beyond any race, age, creed, religion, et. like tattoos.

i mean the whole "war on oilfield workers" is based in this same shite.
Posted by DeionDeion
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
6112 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:38 am to
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Locking people up for non violent offenses is not moral. It separates families and prevents those people from being able to get jobs when they get out. Also, if they are addicts, prison does not give them the treatment they need to overcome the addiction. Why does America, the city on the hill, have the most prisoners per capita than any other nation in history?


I understand your point there should be more done for addicts that are in jail. BUT the law is the law...if you want to be with your family do not break the law. People always make this argument that locking people up for non violent offense is wrong. Its a stupid argument bc as US citizen we need to respect authority placed above us. The fact of the matter is it against the law. You know that if you touch a bonfire you will get burned so don't freaking touch it. If you go to jail bc of drugs thats YOUR fault and your selfishness which is the root of the problem.

To your other point, selfish moms and dads are what separate families. They are too busy chasing the next "high" (whether that is drugs or chasing money or chasing fame, etc) rather than being present for their kids. Kids already spend at least 8 hours a day in school then go out with those same kids on the weekend. When do the parents have time to teach and mentor their children? Add on selfish parents that are not home in that tiny space when the kids are and you get kids that are being influenced by other kids who only know what TV and the internet and other media outlets tell them. Then the kid does not listen to their parents bc the parent never developed a trusting relationship with their children and is not in a position of influence. THATS what separates families.

If you want to chase those things FINE do it on your own time. DO NOT have a wife/husband and kids if you are going to be absent from them to chase drugs, money, fame, etc. People make the excuse "Im selling dope for my family, Im working hard for my family" you should have been thought about that before you had a kid or got married. Don't drag other innocent people down in your BS.

I understand stuff happens and mistakes are made. Sometimes its unavoidable but damnit if everyone isn't in this position. Their needs to be more accountability and more thought and more self control and less selfishness.


Wall of text sorry
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:39 am to
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a. i bet the vast majority of them didn't read the whole thing. it didn't get really racist until about 2/3 in (when it dismissed culture)


I considered that, but it's a little too convenient. I'd invite them all to go back and re-read it.

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b. upvotes/downvotes is a terrible way to look at things, esp since thousands of people likely read that post. reddit is terrible. don't defend reddit


I doubt anyone would consider it a perfect barometer of the board's attitudes, but I won't entertain any pitiful suggestion that it's not meanigful.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:40 am to
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we're the least racist nation on earth and likely the least racist nation in the history of the world




come on now


Are you serious? Have you ever travelled internationally?

Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:40 am to
A phrenologist huh?

I tend to like your political posts, so I'll bite since I missed the thread you keep pointing to. If possible, please be so kind as to link.

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Are you serious? Have you ever travelled internationally?


England is equal to the US, if not more racist, unless you just want to disguise it as extreme nationalism. Doesn't make our right, was just chiming in.

This post was edited on 3/16/15 at 10:43 am
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:41 am to
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I doubt anyone would consider it a perfect barometer of the board's attitudes, but I won't entertain any pitiful suggestion that it's not meanigful


it's really not. You have trolls who vote one way on all posts, others who upvote people they like etc. To assume it;s tied to content is only marginally accurate.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
82883 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:43 am to
Wow...maybe people just naturally feel more comfortable around their own race. Shocking. And racist, I guess. Everything is racist.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464873 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:43 am to
as a person who has defended Rex for years, the auto-downvote bullshite he goes through is a good example of that
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