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re: Mass shooting on Vegas Strip discussion
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:57 pm to Scoop
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:57 pm to Scoop
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don’t see how that work work. Even if you punctured a tank with a 5.56 or 7.62 incendiary round, there isn’t going to be enough of oxygen involved for an explosion.
But wouldnt this depend on where the liquid level is?
Most tanks have a safe fill height which is based on the shell thickness, any corrosion damage present, product density, stress variables and so on... Most tanks dont get filled to the top head/roof to shell seam. Which leaves a vapor gap between the liquid level and roof.
We had a dome roof tank light off at our plant luckily only the floor and strongbacks bent like a mushroom and the pressure was able to be released through the conservation vent on the roof. The flame died out after making the release sound due to the lack of oxygen but if you ignite that jet fuel (which like i said is hard because of the temperature it takes to ignite) and that tank doesnt have a safety hatch up top it would completely blow up and i dont think a conservation vent would help that one. A lot of those tanks have emergency/safety manway hatches on them that have smaller diameter bolts and a thin manway lid that in case the tank has a reaction or ignites it blows that manway hatch off instead of the tank blowing up.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 3:03 pm
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:03 pm to SwampBandit
I’m not offering any expert opinion. Sounds like you know more than I do about similar things. I’m just thinking that if an incendiary round did penetrate and enter the fuel within the tank, there just isn’t any oxygen available to be the third factor needed for an explosion. It would just puncture the tank and fuel would come about about like a piss stream.
ETA: Maybe if he got lucky and penetrated the tank right at the surface level of the fuel where there might be a fuel/air mix enough to cause an ignition sufficient to compromise the integrity of the tank on a significant scale.
That’s the only way I can see maybe blowing it up.
ETA: Maybe if he got lucky and penetrated the tank right at the surface level of the fuel where there might be a fuel/air mix enough to cause an ignition sufficient to compromise the integrity of the tank on a significant scale.
That’s the only way I can see maybe blowing it up.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:07 pm to SwampBandit
Ok, at the risk of asking a stupid question, but why would he need to do calculations to hit his target? He was 32 floors up and shooting an automatic weapon at a crowd of 20000 people in a confined area. It seems to me that would be point and shoot. What exactly would he calculate? Distance from window to stage? I mean, besides a physicist or military sniper, who would realistically even know what or how to calculate the necessary variables? That just seems like over thinking. All he needs to do is point the gun at crowd and hold down the trigger. No need for calculations.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:10 pm to supadave3
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No need for calculations.
Because line of sight and distance are quite different from 1,000ft away. Not a hunter I'm assuming?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:13 pm to SwampBandit
As a holding tank fluid level lowers, is the empty area occupied by normal air?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:22 pm to VaBamaMan
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C) When a reporter asked Lombardo how many cell phones Paddock had, he didn't know the answer and turned to an FBI agent in the room and repeated the question. To which the agent said "I don't believe it prudent we give out that information". Then Lombardo told the reporter "I don't know how many devices he had".
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That last one is oddest to me, because it's such an innocuous question. If the guy is a loner and they know nothing about him, why can't they tell us how many cell phones he had? It shouldn't matter one bit.
What if Paddock was only setting the stage for the "actors" that were to show up later in the concert?
Let's see... Neatly stacked Magazines that weren't touched- Check. Way more rifles than he could ever use - Check. Potential stack of Burner phones for the "actors" that were showing up - Maybe?
Also, have we covered the fact that Stephen Paddocks house was BROKEN INTO? Yes the house in Las Vegas where the guy who killed 59 people lived.
That house was somehow left unsecured and someone broke into it. Don't worry though, the authorities don't think they took anything while they were in there.
Edited to add LINK
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:29 pm to eitek1
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Also, have we covered the fact that Stephen Paddocks house was BROKEN INTO? Yes the house in Las Vegas where the guy who killed 59 people lived.
That house was somehow left unsecured and someone broke into it. Don't worry though, the authorities don't think they took anything while they were in there
I personally don't put much stock into why it was broken into. The Bureau already extracted what they needed to from his house. I am surprised that considering how high profile this situation is, it wasn't guarded however.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:31 pm to SwampBandit
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We had a dome roof tank light off at our plant luckily only the floor and strongbacks bent like a mushroom and the pressure was able to be released through the conservation vent on the roof. The flame died out after making the release sound due to the lack of oxygen but if you ignite that jet fuel (which like i said is hard because of the temperature it takes to ignite) and that tank doesnt have a safety hatch up top it would completely blow up and i dont think a conservation vent would help that one. A lot of those tanks have emergency/safety manway hatches on them that have smaller diameter bolts and a thin manway lid that in case the tank has a reaction or ignites it blows that manway hatch off instead of the tank blowing up.
This is just another thing that demonstrates that even though this guy had a basic plan, it was not well thought out. A little research would have told him the odds of shooting and blowing up the tanks was very small at best.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:32 pm to eitek1
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What if Paddock was only setting the stage for the "actors" that were to show up later in the concert?
Just stop with the deep state stuff. Our government is incredibly incompetent, there is no way they pull off a large scale "play" such as this.
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Also, have we covered the fact that Stephen Paddocks house was BROKEN INTO? Yes the house in Las Vegas where the guy who killed 59 people lived.
It's far more likely someone frustrated with the seemingly incompetent, or hidden, investigation that did it to try and see if there was anything relevant in the house that law enforcement is hiding from the public.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:35 pm to idlewatcher
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Because line of sight and distance are quite different from 1,000ft away. Not a hunter I'm assuming?
So you bust out your graph paper and mechanical pencil before shooting a deer?
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Not a hunter I'm assuming?
No, not much of one.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:39 pm to VaBamaMan
I'd like to know more about the house in Las Vegas where he lived.
According to earlier reports he actually lived in Mesquite and owned another home in Nevada that was located in Reno.
So the article linked only talks about the Reno home being broken into and not the Las Vegas home.
Another example of people reading a little bit of information and getting multiple pieces mixed together and calling them facts.
According to earlier reports he actually lived in Mesquite and owned another home in Nevada that was located in Reno.
So the article linked only talks about the Reno home being broken into and not the Las Vegas home.
Another example of people reading a little bit of information and getting multiple pieces mixed together and calling them facts.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:41 pm to VaBamaMan
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Just stop with the deep state stuff. Our government is incredibly incompetent, there is no way they pull off a large scale "play" such as this.
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It's far more likely someone frustrated with the seemingly incompetent, or hidden, investigation that did it to try and see if there was anything relevant in the house that law enforcement is hiding from the public
It just defies common sense that the house or houses belonging to the perpetrator of the worst mass shooting in America would not be under 24/7 guard until the investigation ended, even if it was only a "rent a cop" security guard. Unfortunately incompetence is common even in the FBI.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:45 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:Yeah but see the guy was responding to the LVPD or the FBI asking for help. Which is crazy that they would do that, although this is what the guy said in the video. He also said he did it on a Sunday after noon, and didn't spend any taxpayer's money on it. So he was saying that the FBI could spend millions and for sure could find out a ton of information.
Is this about the 30 minute video? I only watched a few minutes. Only way to prove anything would be to set up recording devices in the exact locations that he used and replicate the gun fire from the positions he claims.
He also said that he was using youtube videos of the event to complete his analysis. I think someone with some high tech equipment could break down the actual footage and be able to calculate the 'lag time' to figure out the distance the weapon was fired at. The formula to figure this out, can't be very hard at all, which he even states that. Plus there were many people saying that they thought it was multiple shooters.
Then throw in that official story that we are given, and it does seem like this old arse dude was able to pull off some superhuman shite, like unloading all those rounds of ammo in that short period of time, etc.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:47 pm to Scoop
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As a holding tank fluid level lowers, is the empty area occupied by normal air?
Depends on if there is ventilation or not, A conservation vent is intended to provide pressure and/or vacuum relief for atmospheric or low pressure storage tanks. That being said these valves are made to release pressure for the most part but if they arent working properly can allow air in. I would think that a tank storing jet fuel would have an atmospheric vent to relieve pressure from changing temperatures and vapors exc. Also the vapors of the jet fuel would be easier to ignite rather than actually shooting into the jet fuel.
Also there is certain chemicals/compounds that can ignite jet fuel and other fuels without present oxygen, whether or not any of these compounds are involved in the incendiary rounds i have no idea
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:49 pm to EA6B
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It just defies common sense that the house or houses belonging to the perpetrator of the worst mass shooting in America would not be under 24/7 guard
You have to have some big arse balls to break into the house of the house of the guy responsible for the largest massacre in US history a week after he did it. I mean, anyone in the right mind would think it was being guarded. That would be the last house on my list to break into if I was burglar.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:51 pm to supadave3
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So you bust out your graph paper and mechanical pencil before shooting a deer?
No you bust out a range finder.
Lets say you have a .270 win and you sight it in 2 inches high at 100 yards which puts you at or relatively dead on at 200 you judge the distance by either knowing your distances of areas around your stand or a range finder and you take the shot. Most people wouldnt make ridiculously far shots at deer though, I would hesitate pulling the trigger at a deer 350 yrds but i have shot a few around 300 yards
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:52 pm to VaBamaMan
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What if Paddock was only setting the stage for the "actors" that were to show up later in the concert?
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Just stop with the deep state stuff. Our government is incredibly incompetent, there is no way they pull off a large scale "play" such as this.
I'm in no way implying that our government had anything to do with this. Quite the opposite actually . I guess "actor" wasn't the appropriate term to use.
Just imaging how the Mumbai shooting went down. It's not a stretch to imagine Paddock setting the stage for something like that and getting interrupted by someone.
The guy had cell phoneS Those could be used in a Mumbai style attack. Now they have alluded to the fact he had "protective equipment". That could be anything from ear plugs to plate carriers. That may also suggest a Mumbai style attack.
In addition to all of that he had 20 plus rifles and stacks of magazines that were neatly piled and never used. There's not too many scenarios this makes sense in but a Mumbai style attack is one of them.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:54 pm to TigerFred
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I'd like to know more about the house in Las Vegas where he lived.
According to earlier reports he actually lived in Mesquite and owned another home in Nevada that was located in Reno.
So the article linked only talks about the Reno home being broken into and not the Las Vegas home.
Another example of people reading a little bit of information and getting multiple pieces mixed together and calling them facts.
Ummm he didn't own a home in Vegas
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:54 pm to supadave3
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So you bust out your graph paper and mechanical pencil before shooting a deer?
Who doesn't baw? SheeshPosted on 10/11/17 at 3:57 pm to supadave3
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Ok, at the risk of asking a stupid question, but why would he need to do calculations to hit his target?
To shoot a tank almost 1000 yards away he would be smart to do calculation if he was trying to hit it and make it count but that depends on if he was trying that or not, the concert was a good distance away as well. At 400 yards a .223 bullet drops 3' but yes he could have just propped up and fired till he started hitting people to judge his angle
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