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re: Mass shooting on Vegas Strip discussion
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:26 am to Tiger in NY
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:26 am to Tiger in NY
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Paddock did most of the work, but he had to have had 2 or 3 people at that hotel acting "friendly" for him at least.
No he didn’t
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Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:27 am to DeoreDX
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TL-DR: That guys math is all wrong.
he's not working with 100% accurate info to no fault of his own, sure. But to have a 200 plus yard difference in the lag times.... i mean, all the dead people were pretty much all centered and inside the venue... not sure that area is really able and big enough to account for such a vast lag time difference.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:29 am to Mr. Hangover
Still nobody has an explanation as to why there is no camera footage present from the hotel on that floor that can show exactly wtf happened... All this backtracking on stories and timelines when you can/should be able to just look at hotel camera footage and see everything that went on outside of that room....I guess the cameras just miraculously shut off or quite functioning that night..
(ADD ON) And for the first person to say "How do you know they dont have it"......Welllll we dont know but why cant you get a dang story straight if you do.....or maybe they pulled the footage and found out the security guard was in on it and they are keeping it hush hush for now not to start a panic....Maybe they are torturing the shite out of him to make him reveal more in depth detail and whether their was more shooters/accomplices exc..
(ADD ON) And for the first person to say "How do you know they dont have it"......Welllll we dont know but why cant you get a dang story straight if you do.....or maybe they pulled the footage and found out the security guard was in on it and they are keeping it hush hush for now not to start a panic....Maybe they are torturing the shite out of him to make him reveal more in depth detail and whether their was more shooters/accomplices exc..
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 9:33 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:32 am to SwampBandit
There was some disagreement earlier in the thread about whether the hotel has cameras in floor hallways. Some said they are only on the casino floor, others said every square inch of the hotel is covered other than inside the rooms.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:32 am to SwampBandit
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Still nobody has an explanation as to why there is no camera footage present from the hotel on that floor that can show exactly wtf happened
I'm firmly in the "this is all fricky" camp but is it possible the investigators have it and just haven't released it or details of it?
Has anyone in an official capacity said there is no camera footage?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:33 am to jamboybarry
quote:
I'm firmly in the "this is all fricky" camp but is it possible the investigators have it and just haven't released it or details of it?
Has anyone in an official capacity said there is no camera footage?
They "leaked" select photos of room, door, cart, few guns and head shot pic yet can't leak video of hallway entrance etc.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:33 am to Placebeaux
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Fox just reported that Paddock shot Security guard BEFORE he started shooting at concert goers. It was 6 minutes after he shot guard before he started. Questions now as to why it took so long for LEO to pinpoint him. Entire timeline has now been changed. Wow.
I figured this shite out.....
Paddock wasn’t the shooter... the (fake) security guard was...
in the next few days we will find out that a (real) security guard’s family will say that he has come up missing.. he was killed in the hotel and the actual shooter used his uniform as a disguise, framed paddock, and shot himself in the leg to make it look like he was a victim as well
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:34 am to Bunk Moreland
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There was some disagreement earlier in the thread about whether the hotel has cameras in floor hallways. Some said they are only on the casino floor, others said every square inch of the hotel is covered other than inside the rooms.
I could have swore even the cheap hotels had cameras in hallways, elevators exc
Here is an article that was wrote a few yeas ago on Vegas Surveillance so you know it is probably even better by now
LINK
Edit: I also just read an article from 2013 that said 23 of the 27 hotels in Vegas did not have cameras in the hallway and MB was one that didnt
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 9:43 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:34 am to Chad504boy
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They "leaked" select photos of room, door, cart, few guns and head shot pic yet can't leak video of hallway entrance etc.
Yeah that doesn't answer my question
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:43 am to DeoreDX
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Oh my god so many so called experts are coming out of the woodwork trying to support the two gunman hypothesis. I won't call myself an expert but I am a firearm enthusiast with a solid background on firearms acoustics and professionally part of my job deals with acoustics, acoustics attenuation, and acoustic testing to industry standards. I do this math every day and because I deal with noise attenuation I am familiar with how sound travels and is generated. Guy gets much of the math right but your math is only as good as your assumptions and his has glaring weaknesses. His math does not take into account the distance the recording device is from the sound of the "ricochet" (which is the supersonic shock wave not a sound of a ricochet but that's another argument). His math only works if the bullet is fired directly at the recording device. The sound from the "ricochet" also has to follow the laws of physics. The farther away the bullet path is from the recording device the longer time it will take for the sound of the "ricochet" to arrive at the recording device. He doesn't know that relationship so he can't accurately calculate the distance the shooter is away from the recording device. That's a pretty large venue the recording device could easily be 100+ meters away from the bullet path and therefore the source of the "ricochet" sound. Because of that delay the farther the round is shot away from the recording device his math would calculate the shooter as being closer than he actually is. Without knowing the exact location the recording was made and exactly how far the bullet noise was generated away from the recording device you can not mathematically calculate the distance from the shooter with any type of certainty.quote:: That guys math is all wrong.
TL-DR
Until you make a video explaining this we don't care what you have to say. Are you a head of a scientific lab? NO
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:43 am to SG_Geaux
If he did leave a video, and it was an ISIS video, and it did implicate other cells, and further they have footage from outside the room which shows either two shooters or an accomplice or that Paddock was a patsy and there is some kind of massive ISIS network threatening and confirmed from the tape to be operating in the US right now, it makes absolute sense that we aren't getting the whole story.
1. They wouldn't want to start a panic or riots
2. They would need to meticulously chase down every lead and threat with minimal resistance and interference from the public.
3. They would need to separate credible info from non-credible info by assessing how much people they interrogate know that wasnt released to the public.
Hypothetically: What if the reason that the tapes haven't been released yet is because Paddock checked in or was visited by a known terrorist organizer? They wouldn't want to cause a panic at every major event and they wouldn't want everyone to know there is a massive probability of another attack coming.
What's worse, is let's say he had a terrorist in the room with him. And as soon as the shooting started, the terrorist leaves the room. Well now that guy is out there somewhere. They dont need to incite panic.
1. They wouldn't want to start a panic or riots
2. They would need to meticulously chase down every lead and threat with minimal resistance and interference from the public.
3. They would need to separate credible info from non-credible info by assessing how much people they interrogate know that wasnt released to the public.
Hypothetically: What if the reason that the tapes haven't been released yet is because Paddock checked in or was visited by a known terrorist organizer? They wouldn't want to cause a panic at every major event and they wouldn't want everyone to know there is a massive probability of another attack coming.
What's worse, is let's say he had a terrorist in the room with him. And as soon as the shooting started, the terrorist leaves the room. Well now that guy is out there somewhere. They dont need to incite panic.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:44 am to Placebeaux
Why do you need a video?
Is your reading comprehension that bad?
Is your reading comprehension that bad?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:47 am to Psychoanalysis
quote:
If he did leave a video, and it was an ISIS video, and it did implicate other cells, and further they have footage from outside the room which shows either two shooters or an accomplice or that Paddock was a patsy and there is some kind of massive ISIS network threatening and confirmed from the tape to be operating in the US right now, it makes absolute sense that we aren't getting the whole story.
1. They wouldn't want to start a panic or riots
2. They would need to meticulously chase down every lead and threat with minimal resistance and interference from the public.
3. They would need to separate credible info from non-credible info by assessing how much people they interrogate know that wasnt released to the public.
Hypothetically: What if the reason that the tapes haven't been released yet is because Paddock checked in or was visited by a known terrorist organizer? They wouldn't want to cause a panic at every major event and they wouldn't want everyone to know there is a massive probability of another attack coming.
What's worse, is let's say he had a terrorist in the room with him. And as soon as the shooting started, the terrorist leaves the room. Well now that guy is out there somewhere. They dont need to incite panic.
That is solid Psycho!
I do believe that ISIS has a plan to start some shite before long, granted they couldnt handle just the hunters in this nation but i do believe they will carry out attacks like this
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:48 am to Chad504boy
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Chad504boy
Brett Favre solved the case?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:48 am to Psychoanalysis
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the terrorist leaves the room. Well now that guy is out there somewhere. They dont need to incite panic.
generally when they are looking for people, it helps to reveal info and pics to get public's assistance with search. This is blatant hiding and misleading.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:49 am to Mr. Hangover
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No he didn’t
Not from a technical perspective, but he probably did have some help.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:50 am to SwampBandit
No video and those simultaneous shooting cadences have blown this whole thing up.
This is shady AF. Even more so than before.
This is shady AF. Even more so than before.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:50 am to jamboybarry
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I'm firmly in the "this is all fricky" camp but is it possible the investigators have it and just haven't released it or details of it?
Yeah, they have it, just deciding how much of the story to tell us. Have to make sure they do their best to exclude anything that makes them look bad.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:52 am to Chad504boy
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generally when they are looking for people, it helps to reveal info and pics to get public's assistance with search.
This is true unless they somehow got footage of this and maybe some facial recognition and want to search themselves and not get everyone worked up.... I can tell you this, somewhere on this 330 page thread somebody hit the nail on the head on the false story we will eventually get and on the true side (Which we will never find out)
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:52 am to Mr. Hangover
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Is your reading comprehension that bad?
Mine is off the charts actually. He just typed out dribble with no real explanation on how it applies to this case. I'm going with the expert on this one.
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