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re: Mass shooting on Vegas Strip discussion
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:24 am to Tiger in NY
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:24 am to Tiger in NY
Everyone has a motive. They all want it to be known. Otherwise, what they did would be pointless
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:25 am to Topwater Trout
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Why can't people think this was just one crazy mother fricker that wanted to take a bunch of people out
Why can't people think he was put up to it? We don't know anything yet
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:26 am to Hammertime
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Everyone has a motive. They all want it to be known.
Not necessarily. I dont think anything was specific about the motivations of Cho or James Holmes
But if they come out and say they have clear evidence of a psychotic break, I will easily accept that too.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 11:28 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:28 am to Tiger in NY
I agree, some people are just that mentally ill.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:29 am to The Mick
quote:Camera =/= monitor. They said he had a camera inside the room. And yes, they said it wasn't broadcasting to rule out the ISIS connection. So he most definitely had a camera inside the room, which they have not been discussing anymore.
So the camera inside the room wasn't necessarily the monitor for the outside cams?
The sheriff tries to be clean, but he slips up and contradicts himself or drops hints often.
Just like what happened with the note. He said he didn't remember there being any note. Then, he acknowledged the note, but said he hadn't seen the it because he just did a cursory scan of the room. When pressed if it was a suicide note, he said it definitely was not a suicide note. This was all within minutes during the same press conference
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:29 am to Tiger in NY
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I dont think anything was specific about the motivations of Cho or James Holmes
Notoriety.
I psychologist was discussing how shooting for notoriety is a young man's game. Paddock doesn't fit the bill.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:30 am to weadjust
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Have they ever released how many of the injured and dead were the result of gunshots vs caused by the crowd exiting the venue?
They have not. still working on the numbers. I think it’s safe to assume at least a couple hundred of the injured were probably hurt in the stampede. From witness accounts there were a lot of people who were selfish and trampling people to save their own arse.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:31 am to dfintlyHmmrd
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I agree, some people are just that mentally ill.
By all accounts, leading up to his 64th year on earth he wasn't that mentally ill
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 11:32 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:31 am to dfintlyHmmrd
Something makes people snap.
Something drives them to do it.
Something makes them choose their targets and bypass others.
There is always a motive
Something drives them to do it.
Something makes them choose their targets and bypass others.
There is always a motive
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:33 am to Clyde Tipton
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Notoriety.
I psychologist was discussing how shooting for notoriety is a young man's game. Paddock doesn't fit the bill.
And it was out pretty quickly that those guys had known psychological issues.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:35 am to Tiger in NY
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And it was out pretty quickly that those guys had known psychological issues.
For sure. I didn't mean they were mentally stable. You have to be off your rocker to think shooting people for notoriety is a good idea.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:37 am to Tiger in NY
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And it was out pretty quickly that those guys had known psychological issues.
Exactly. And for this guy they (family, gf, gun shop owner, etc) are basically saying he didn't have any psychological issues in his history. For right now I'm believing he was put up to it.
And quite frankly, I don't think this dude had any plans on getting caught. He was going to die before he went in. I believe the reason he did this went with him to hell.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 11:40 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:39 am to Clyde Tipton
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For sure. I didn't mean they were mentally stable. You have to be off your rocker to think shooting people for notoriety is a good idea.
I was just adding that to your statement to say that I am having a hard time currently accepting the mental break possibility. I think by know we would have heard from the brother, neighbors, ex wife that something was apparent.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:40 am to Tiger in NY
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And it was out pretty quickly that those guys had known psychological issues.
As does 40 million other Americans, so that tell us very little. The question is, what separates these shooters from the other 40 million, that causes them to murder and injure hundreds of innocent people?
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:42 am to Hammertime
Posting again, as no one wanted to discuss previously:
What is everyone's thoughts on Stephen recently (in June, I believe) being prescribed diazepam (Valium)? This medication is said to have side effects that include aggression, hostility, and suicidal thoughts/actions.
From narconon.org:
Probably not fully to blame- but still something that should be looked into.
He has the genetic predisposition for mental issues coming from his dad. Maybe the addition of this benzo was the catalyst for the snap.
What is everyone's thoughts on Stephen recently (in June, I believe) being prescribed diazepam (Valium)? This medication is said to have side effects that include aggression, hostility, and suicidal thoughts/actions.
From narconon.org:
quote:
With Valium, these effects can include fits of rage or violence, aggression, excitement, irritability and hostility. A person may lose control of his impulses which can lead to anti-social behavior, especially among the very young and elderly. Some people may consider suicide. Others may become emotionally blunted.
Probably not fully to blame- but still something that should be looked into.
He has the genetic predisposition for mental issues coming from his dad. Maybe the addition of this benzo was the catalyst for the snap.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 11:44 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:42 am to 13SaintTiger
Yeah I agree to an extent, but there are tons of people struggling with mental health issues that you would never ever guess they had anything going on. I've had a family member commit suicide when he seemed to be one of the happiest, friendliest people, honestly a life of the party type. No one had a clue he was struggling until it happened. And everyone who has said that he didn't seem to have any issues with mental health, has also said he was a very reclusive, private person. So people really didn't even know him very well.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:43 am to Festus
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As does 40 million other Americans, so that tell us very little. The question is, what separates these shooters from the other 40 million, that causes them to murder and injure hundreds of innocent people?
While "psychological issues" is a pretty broad phrase, I believe you are confusing what you quoted with causation.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 11:48 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:44 am to Festus
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As does 40 million other Americans, so that tell us very little. The question is, what separates these shooters from the other 40 million, that causes them to murder and injure hundreds of innocent people?
You missed the point.
When mental illness is the cause, you generally have people coming out quickly to make that known.
The fact that nothing of that nature has been said by friends/family, makes me diwcount that possibilty some.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:44 am to Topwater Trout
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Why can't people think this was just one crazy mother fricker that wanted to take a bunch of people out? Does it make them feel better thinking this had to be part of a group?
It is just like the JFK conspiracies, they stem from the fact that people don't want to live with the fact that one person alone can kill the president of the U.S., that one crazy demented old man can do this would make the world too dangerous to live in, so there just has to be a more complicated explanation.
If they accept the fact that one demented crazy guy can do something like this then their world becomes more dangerous than they can cope with, so there has to be more.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:44 am to 13SaintTiger
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Exactly. And for this guy they (family, gf, gun shop owner, etc) are basically saying he didn't have any psychological issues in his history. For right now I'm believing he was put up to it.
Maybe he had a brain tumor.
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