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re: Mass child sacrifice discovery may be largest in Peru

Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:51 am to
Posted by ctiger69
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Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:51 am to
AR 15 fault
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:54 am to
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you should watch Bone Tomahawk



My buddy and I were talking about this movie with my ex and her friends about two years ago (transplant uber-progressive Yankees). He used the word "savages" to describe them and I could hear a pin drop until I busted out laughing. Totally appropriate use of the word for what was portrayed in the movie, but they were aghast.
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:02 pm to
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my point is the morality shifts and evolves and I find it increasingly annoying how people love to apply todays morality standards to those in the past


You won't answer the question... is child sacrifice objectively morally wrong and on what basis from your worldview?
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:07 pm to
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You won't answer the question...


because it isn't relevant and is ultimately uninteresting

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is child sacrifice objectively morally wrong and on what basis from your worldview?


I am morally opposed to child sacrifice.
This post was edited on 8/29/19 at 12:08 pm
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:14 pm to
And people think the world is fricked up today..
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
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Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:20 pm to
I might do a SG1 rewatch. That was a fun show.

And Samantha Carter
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:21 pm to
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because it isn't relevant and is ultimately uninteresting


So you are morally opposed to child sacrifice, but it isn't objectively morally wrong correct?

I doubt it is uninteresting to you... you were interested enough to make your opinion known on the subject and repeatedly respond. I get it... I wouldn't want to face the reality of moral relativism either.
Posted by J Murdah
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:24 pm to
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AR 15 fault
we're blaming video games now, keep up
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83582 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:30 pm to
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So you are morally opposed to child sacrifice, but it isn't objectively morally wrong correct?


correct

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I wouldn't want to face the reality of moral relativism either.


you face it everyday
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
36791 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:36 pm to
primitive people were brutal. Who knew?
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:40 pm to
"Human sacrifice" is kinds the "global warming" of anthropological studies these days. If a researcher can attach "human sacrifice" to their outline, they have a much better shot at getting funding and general academic acceptance of their work.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260563 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:44 pm to
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how peaceful and in tune with the Earth that Montezuma and the Aztecs were


This is a terrible myth. Even in North America, they weren't some eco friendly people who were peaceful.

Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:47 pm to
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correct


Yes... based on the moral relativists reasoning, Hitler gassing the Jews and child sacrifices are not objectively immoral. Your worldview is powerless to stop the Mao's, Hitler's and Stalin's of this world because for the moral relativists logically the only truth is that might is right.

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you face it everyday


Yes I face people with that worldview everyday. Many believe it without following it to its logical conclusion. I don't hold to that worldview. I would quickly become a nihilist if I held such a worldview. The moral relativist who isn't a nihilist is merely pretending to believe in moral relativism.
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83582 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:53 pm to
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Your worldview is powerless to stop the Mao's, Hitler's and Stalin's of this world because for the moral relativists logically the only truth is that might is right.


just curious, but how were Mao, Hitler and Stalin stopped?
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:59 pm to
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just curious, but how were Mao, Hitler and Stalin stopped?


Well Mao and Stalin were not stopped. More accurately stated... for the moral relativist, there cannot be a claim that Mao, Stalin and Hitler were wrong in committing genocide and murder. They did what was accepted by the culture right?

On the argument that we are evolving morally... Child sacrifices still happen in India. Sex slaves are still rampant throughout many cultures. Compare the morality of 1700s US with the morality of 1940s Germany... which represents an evolved sense of morality?
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 2:36 pm to
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They did what was accepted by the culture right?
Wrong. The murdering culture accepted it OK. The ones BEING murdered were disarmed and rendered helpless.


Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
29470 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 3:21 pm to
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Such proud and noble people. And people wonder why we slaughtered them.

Unintentional irony?
No. Maybe “slaughtered” was the wrong word to use, but there’s no doubt that many tribes were savages and brought their destruction upon themselves by their actions against the settlers.
This post was edited on 8/29/19 at 3:40 pm
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 3:36 pm to
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Wrong. The murdering culture accepted it OK. The ones BEING murdered were disarmed and rendered helpless.


I don't know what your point is. If the majority of people in a society accept an action then it has become culturally acceptable. So whether it is child sacrifices, genocide or slavery for the moral relativist - those cannot be absolute wrongs. Whatever the culture decides is morality is morality (from the perspective of a moral relativist).
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
16502 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 3:38 pm to
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If the majority of people in a society accept an action then it has become culturally acceptable


Would you say the members of the societies you named (Hitler's Germany, Mao's China, etc.) accepted the actions of their leaders on their own accord or because they didn't really have any other choice?
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
38904 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 3:48 pm to
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Why? Great movie.


I liked it, but holy frick it's violent.
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