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re: Maryland will forever and always be a southern state

Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:06 pm to
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:06 pm to
Ten Bears, it is good that warriors like us meet to discuss the struggle of life and death.
I see your words of death are strong, and so, your words of life are also strong.
Posted by justaniceguy
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:06 pm to
I didn’t say Baltimore.

Most came through Virginia and the Carolina’s but most old stock pre revolution American southerners will also find Maryland.
Posted by Locoguan0
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:06 pm to
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Bill Russell use to refer to Boston as “up South”, because of its racism.
Yeah, that's just the Irish.
Posted by TriStateAreaFootball
Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:07 pm to
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Catholic has nothing to do with it.

For someone whose only experience with the state of Maryland is reading about it on the internet, you sure are confident.
Posted by justaniceguy
Member since Sep 2020
6552 posts
Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:07 pm to
Dallas is really not southern any more either, except in certain areas.

This is the case with most Texas cities.

But even in San Antonio you will find southern culture.
Posted by justaniceguy
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:09 pm to
There are a lot of rural Maryland people that would disagree with you.

I will definitely go some day, and maybe even take pics and point out how southern the areas still area for some of the naysayers here.

Posted by justaniceguy
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:10 pm to
I have an ancestor that lived in Barbados and then South Carolina.

Also some French Huguenots.

I have ancestors from all over the south, except Louisiana! Can’t find a single ancestor that ever lived there.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:10 pm to
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Texas, Florida, and Virginia aren't the Deep South, but they're still southern states.



It don't get much deeper deep south than the Florida Panhandle, the First Coast, Central Florida, the Big Bend and a good portion of south Florida inland from either coast. From Mobile to Brunswick and Valdosta to Bell Glade one would be hard pressed to find more a more southern area. Miami, Fort Lauderdale and Tampa are more southern than Dallas....
Posted by justaniceguy
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:11 pm to
Texas is a mix of southern, German, polish, Czech, tejano/mexican, black, and even a bit midwestern and yankee.

It is not completely the south but it will always be a southern state despite the influence.

West Texas even was mostly settled by southerners.
Posted by justaniceguy
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:12 pm to
I know people that are from there and live there.

California was once a western state. We will take it back too.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:13 pm to
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West Texas even was mostly settled by southerners.



Was it? Seems to be an awful lot of Hispanic folks who have been there a looooonnnnggggggg time....

I guess Mexico is south of Texas for the most part though....
Posted by justaniceguy
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:19 pm to
It depends which part of west Texas. Towns like Abilene, Amarillo, San Angelo were about 5-10% hispanic. The rest were mostly Anglo southerners. Many from Tennessee, Arkansas, Missouri.

Many southerners came to Texas after the civil war, devastated and in search of a new home. This is the case with nearly all of my ancestors that didn’t come straight to Texas from Europe (which are only a few)

My dad is pure southerner. I have traced all of his ancestry. Born and raised in San Antonio.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:22 pm to
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Virginia is still the south

You're getting downvoted but you're right. With the exception of NOVA(anything north of Fredericksburg and East of Harrisonburg), Virginia is the South.

SW VA is more southern than most places in the deep South. The Appalachian influence plays into that but that's the truth.
This post was edited on 3/27/25 at 2:24 pm
Posted by justaniceguy
Member since Sep 2020
6552 posts
Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:25 pm to
I consider the Appalachian people south of West Virginia, Cajuns, and some Hispanics to be fully southern even if they are distinct from the mythical noble English cavalier / planter culture that much of the south is more aligned with.

Many of the Appalachian people were split over the civil war, even in places like Tennessee, so maybe they aren’t true southerners either to some folks?

I have an ancestor that was born in southern (I think) Missouri. His father supported the Union. He didn’t. So he moved to Arkansas and later Texas, and fought for the confederacy in Arkansas.

So maybe he is southern but his dad isn’t? Lol.
Posted by SpotCheckBilly
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:25 pm to
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I'd say Texas is more southern than Maryland. Maryland today is not "southern" whatsoever and back in the day, probably was hanging by threads on that definition.


That totally depends on where in Maryland you are. If you are on the Eastern Shore it's pretty southern -- reminds me of Louisiana in many ways. Baltimore is mid-Atlantic, but more Southern than either DC or Philly. The areas around DC are full of federal employees, but west of there, towards the mountains, it's not that different from the South, except with the accents and the touch of German/Dutch influence. The mountains are Appalachia.

It's a very diverse state and had Lincoln not sent troops to Annapolis to stop them from seceding, they probably would have.
Posted by justaniceguy
Member since Sep 2020
6552 posts
Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:26 pm to
Parts of western Virginia have those same German influences as well. Some areas were first settled by Germans in fact!
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:28 pm to
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The real question is what is West Virginia?

Southern West Virginia from the Virginia/Kentucky lines up to around Summersville and the eastern Panhandle is culturally southern. North of there(Clarksburg, Fairmont, Morgantown) is Pittsburgh South. Wheeling is Pittsburgh West, accent, culturally, etc
This post was edited on 3/27/25 at 2:31 pm
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:30 pm to
Maryland is a transition zone from South to north. But, I did get sweet tea(on the.menu)at a cafe in Maryland about half an hour outside of DC off of I-270 back in 2013 so take that FWIW.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:35 pm to
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My ancestors are from western Maryland. It’s about as southern as a place can possibly be


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Cumberland

I agree with you, but it is funny that Cumberland is only 2 hours from Pittsburgh. It's in the Pittsburgh TV market.

quote:

It’s absolutely beautiful up there

Goddamn right it is. My entire family is from Western PA via Somerset. I miss it up there. Just gorgeous.
This post was edited on 3/27/25 at 2:37 pm
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
7030 posts
Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:36 pm to
The South = The Confederacy + Kentucky - Texas.

Maryland is not southern. They even speak y'all there.
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