re: Manhattan Congestion Pricing Takes Effect Today

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At least not for as long as we can pretend we're collecting taxes to fund it, but in reality these are state-level taxes that aren't funding much of what you describe in any way.

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Don't you support a national sales tax in lieu on income taxes? Regardless, each states spends several billion per year on healthcare of its residents.

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The goal is to collect none of the tax because the goal is to end, or at least significantly reduce, the practice being taxed.

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No it's not lmao. You think places like Colorado and California want to end marijuana use? It's a boon for those states. You think NYC wants 0 automobiles to drive into lower manhattan? It's a use tax. They want the added revenue. If they actually wanted no one to drive into lower manhattan, they wouldn't be giving discounts or rebates to low income people.

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I already recognized that you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to taxation. You didn't need to explicitly admit it to the whole website.

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You're the person who supports insane sales taxes in lieu of anything else, only to admit you'd make your large purchases in jurisdictions that have lower sales taxes. You're a guy who wants to live in a functioning society, but you want everyone else to pay for it.

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We spend billions and billions on healthcare for problems that can be linked to obesity. Shouldn't people who partake in being fat carry more of that weight?(lol)

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Fify.

They are encouraging people to use the subway so they can get killed.

i like the idea, keeps the trash out...

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Don't you support a national sales tax in lieu on income taxes?

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Yes. Consumption taxes would be absolutely preferable to income taxes. In the American system of taxation, excise taxes are not the same as income or sales taxes. You keep trying to make a connection that does not exist. Let me reiterate for you, again, that I have yet to find an excise tax that I support. In my view, they are as close to theft as income and property taxes.

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You think places like Colorado and California want to end marijuana use?

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I'm sorry you cannot follow a conversation. I clearly stated that this tax is like alcohol and tobacco taxes in that the purpose, at least partially, is to reduce usage. These types of taxes are most successful when they eliminate the problem they're seeking to address. The problem they've identified here is that there is too much congestion in Manhattan. The solution they've identified is an actually insane tax, as opposed to sales taxes (which are completely normal). If this tax is completely successful, they'll eventually end up collecting nothing on it. Regardless, it absolutely won't be a budgetary windfall for them.

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You're the person who supports insane sales taxes in lieu of anything else, only to admit you'd make your large purchases in jurisdictions that have lower sales taxes. You're a guy who wants to live in a functioning society, but you want everyone else to pay for it.

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Everyone is going to make purchases that cost them less. That has nothing to do with preferring consumption taxes over compulsory taxes. It's just common sense. But by all means, you feel free to pretend I should act like no one else and go out of my way to pay more for purchases. All you've essentially done is show you're incapable of discussing this topic honestly.

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to claim places like paris and prague were clean

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Anyone who said Paris is clean is either medically retarded or their mom did a lot of high level drugs during pregnancy while drinking and eating mcdonalds.

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The goal is to collect none of the tax because the goal is to end, or at least significantly reduce, the practice being taxed.

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No one should ever believe this. The government wants the practice to continue because they want it as yet another way to squeeze money from their citizens.

If 0 cars came into Manhattan the day following this coming into effect, they'd quickly try and find a different way to tax the citizens and get the money. They could also just ban or severely limit the amount of cars entering but they don't. They want your money.