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re: Man urinates on the altar in St. Peter's Basilica

Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:13 pm to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45785 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:13 pm to
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If you guys dont agree with Foo, just dont respond. He has been trolling like this a long time.
I'm not trolling.

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He isnt having an honest discussion or debate, he is a clown looking for a stage. Dont give him one. Ignore him.
I always appreciate a stage to preach the gospel, but in these discussions I am being honest. If you would like to point out anything that I've said as false, please let me know.
Posted by Guntoter1
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2020
1580 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:15 pm to
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I make no claim of judgement on any particular person's salvation


Every time I prove one of your assertions wrong you clarify or change your opinion.
You are more slippery than a catfish.
Posted by icecreamsnowball
Member since Mar 2025
1079 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:16 pm to
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They deny justification by faith in Christ alone and require meritorious works to add to and improve justification.


Catholics do not deny justification by faith in Christ alone. We affirm that faith is the root of justification but not faith alone in the sense Protestants mean by sola fide. The Catholic Church teaches that justification is a free gift from God, received through faith. However, this faith must be living and active.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45785 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:18 pm to
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Every time I prove one of your assertions wrong you clarify or change your opinion.
You are more slippery than a catfish.
Example?
Posted by Guntoter1
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2020
1580 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:20 pm to
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Example


The last two pages.

I will say this Foo.
I think you will be saved.
Because you definitely have a case of insurmountable ignorance.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45785 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:20 pm to
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Catholics do not deny justification by faith in Christ alone. We affirm that faith is the root of justification but not faith alone in the sense Protestants mean by sola fide. The Catholic Church teaches that justification is a free gift from God, received through faith. However, this faith must be living and active.
Protestants believe faith must be living and active, and that such a faith is an evidence of justifying faith.

Catholicism teaches that faith alone is insufficient to have everlasting life and we must add to our justification through meritorious good works.

Protestants believe the Bible teaches that faith alone receives justification in Christ, while good works are necessary evidences of such justification but do not add to that justification.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45785 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:23 pm to
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The last two pages.
Exclusivity is your example? That's only an example of you not know what I was saying or not understanding what I was saying. I didn't change anything about what I said. My last post on it was the same as my first post: that Catholicism teaches an exclusivity that goes beyond the gospel of Jesus Christ.

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I will say this Foo.
I think you will be saved.
Because you definitely have a case of insurmountable ignorance.
I know what the RCC teaches and I reject it as true, especially regarding salvation and the exclusivity of Rome for salvation. By that rejection, I have no hope of salvation according to Rome's teaching unless I repent and join with the RCC.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
14761 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:32 pm to
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St. Peter's Basilicaby FooManChoo


You are just jealous you couldn't piss on that alter
Posted by Guntoter1
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2020
1580 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:33 pm to
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know what the RCC teaches and I reject it as true, especially regarding salvation and the exclusivity of Rome for salvation. By that rejection, I have no hope of salvation according to Rome's teaching unless I repent and join with the RCC.


Wrong .. you have insurmountable ignorance. You truly believe what you believe. You do not reject Rome, you reject what you think Rome is.
Therefore there is hope for you.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
14761 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:35 pm to
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you have insurmountable ignorance. You truly believe what you believe. You do not reject Rome, you reject what you think Rome is.
Therefore there is hope for you.


True story
Posted by MemphisGuy
Germantown, TN
Member since Nov 2023
13733 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:35 pm to
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You do not reject Rome, you reject what you think Rome is.

So what is Rome?
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
14761 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:35 pm to
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So what is Rome?

Capital of Italy jeez
This post was edited on 10/11/25 at 9:36 pm
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
101172 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:37 pm to
Mate you go too far. Show grace to all fellow Christians and if theres anything to sort out - leave that to God.
This post was edited on 10/11/25 at 9:38 pm
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45785 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:38 pm to
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Wrong .. you have insurmountable ignorance. You truly believe what you believe. You do not reject Rome, you reject what you think Rome is.
Therefore there is hope for you.
I've read Catholic Answers. I've read a good amount of the Catholic Catechism. I've watched debates with some of the best Catholic apologists.

I've also restated your own beliefs back at you and other Catholics on this forum and haven't had much push back on the factualness of what I've stated that the RCC teaches, only disagreement with my interpretations of Scripture in response. I go out of my way to ensure that what I'm arguing against is accurate to what you actually believe or the RCC teaches to be true.

If you think I have "insurmountable ignorance", I don't know how anyone can be guilty of knowingly rejecting Catholicism.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45785 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:40 pm to
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Mate you go too far. Show grace to all fellow Christians and if theres anything to sort out - leave that to God.
I actually regret my initial statement in this thread because it wasn't very gracious. I would remove it completely but it's already out there.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
14761 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:40 pm to
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I've read Catholic Answers. I've read a good amount of the Catholic Catechism. I've watched debates with some of the best Catholic apologists.


Yeah but you only latch on to things you truly dont understand.

You are a protestant, yall are really good at rewriting your own history and then basing your interpretations off that history.
Posted by Guntoter1
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2020
1580 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:41 pm to
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So what is Rome?


One, holy, Catholic and apostolic church.
It is the men commissioned by Christ to “ forgive men’s sins and they are forgiven”
“Hold them bound and they are held bound”
These are the men that replaced Judas by laying hands on Mathias and adding him to the apostles
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45785 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:43 pm to
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Yeah but you only latch on to things you truly dont understand.
Like what, specifically? The thing I latch on to the most is your view of the gospel, which is that faith alone does not justify anyone, but good works are meritorious and add to justification.

I believe that is a false gospel. Do you think I don't understand that particular taeching?
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
14761 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:45 pm to
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Like what, specifically? The thing I latch on to the most is your view of the gospel, which is that faith alone does not justify anyone, but good works are meritorious and add to justification.

I believe that is a false gospel. Do you think I don't understand that particular taeching?


Yeah, plus you really wanted to be that person who pissed on the altar

ETA: you let that cat out the bag not me.
This post was edited on 10/11/25 at 9:46 pm
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45785 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 9:46 pm to
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Yeah
How is my understanding incorrect?

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plus you really wanted to be that person who pissed on the altar
Actually no, I didn't. I don't know how many times I have to say that I don't condone it, but I'll say it again. He shouldn't have urinated on the alter.
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