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re: Man Arrested for Gunning Down Cop Who Climbed in Through His Window at 5:30am

Posted on 6/25/14 at 3:23 pm to
Posted by DanTiger
Somewhere in Luziana
Member since Sep 2004
9480 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 3:23 pm to
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so it's either anarchy, or let thugPOS psychopaths commit criminal acts...just because they have a badge? I knew your logic was thinner than a puddle on a men's room floor, but wow.


Don't be so predictable. humor is definitely not your strong suit. I also find it ironic that you question my logic all while stereotyping an entire group.
Posted by Seymour
Gulf Coast
Member since Sep 2013
1633 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 3:26 pm to
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Nobody knows who you are here


That's the entire purpose of anonymous screen names

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you are not an LSU fan


I am currently enrolled at LSU, but am a USM alum

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and you are a newb poster


You have to start somewhere

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Sometimes it is better to sit in the corner and be quiet little boy.


Coming from the guy trying to justify what is an obvious nationwide problem brought on by the hyper paramilitarization of law enforcement
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282364 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 3:28 pm to
LINK

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Dr. Tom Nolan is an associate professor and the chair of the Department of Criminal Justice at the State University of New York at Plattsburgh. He served 27 years in the Boston Police Department before retiring as a uniformed lieutenant.


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Have no doubt, police in the United States are militarizing, and in many communities, particularly those of color, the message is being received loud and clear: “You are the enemy.” Police officers are increasingly arming themselves with military-grade equipment such as assault rifles, flashbang grenades, and Mine Resistant Ambush Protected, or MRAP, vehicles and dressing up in commando gear before using battering rams to burst into the homes of people who have not been charged with a crime. Perhaps more alarming is the fact that the Pentagon has played a huge role in this militarization by transferring its weapons of war to civilian police departments through its so-called 1033 program.


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Many communities now look upon police as an occupying army, their streets more reminiscent of Baghdad or Kabul than a city in America. This besieged mentality created by the militarization of police has driven a pernicious wedge into the significant gains made under community- and problem-oriented policing initiatives dating from the late 1980s. The trusting relationships so many police officers painstakingly built within their communities have been eroded by the mindset of the warrior cop.

One of the more alarming trends in the overall militarization of police, which has accelerated since 9/11, is the use of Special Weapons and Tactics, or SWAT, teams for routine police work

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Not all police practitioners — including policy makers, administrators, managers, supervisors and line officers — endorse and support the militarization of America’s law enforcement agencies. Progressive police chiefs in Madison, Wisconsin, and Salt Lake City, Utah, for example, have been publicly critical of police militarization practices and initiatives.

If we want to roll back the militarization of our police forces, the ACLU offers many common sense recommendations, but two stand out as critical first steps. The first is that the use of paramilitary tactics should be restricted solely to situations where there is a true and verifiable emergency, such as a hostage or barricade situation. The second would require that police record and report all uses of paramilitary tactics, including a justification for the use of SWAT, as well as all injuries and property damage caused by the use of SWAT teams.


I saw a facebook posting (a poster) from Lakeland Florida PD, where they were urging parents not to tell kids to run away from police, but they should run to police. I'm wondering if some people within the L.E. community are really this out of touch? People fear the local police for a good reason.
This post was edited on 6/25/14 at 3:30 pm
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25418 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 3:31 pm to
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I believe you should heed your own advice. Nobody knows who you are here, you are not an LSU fan, and you are a newb poster. Sometimes it is better to sit in the corner and be quiet little boy.


The majority of people don't know each other here. It's an anonymous message board. This is a cop out response, as is your response about picking which state to live in. People understandably are upset by what they percieve as gross injustice. They will look around for concern of similar things happening here.

Texas isn't some country on the other side of the world. Neither are all the other states. These things are happening relatively in our neighborhood and under many of the same rules. People have plenty of reason for concern.
Posted by Old Money
LSU
Member since Sep 2012
39675 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 3:31 pm to
LINK


At least we have this going for us today.
Posted by gohogs141
Fayetteville
Member since Jun 2011
7602 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 3:31 pm to
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On March 28th, Buffalo officers holding a warrant seeking an unspecified person and narcotics raided the home of Buffalo residents Rita Patterson, 27, and her 68-year-old father, Daniel Patterson. Ms. Patterson's boyfriend was also present at the time, and was not arrested. Breaking through the Pattersons' front door, heavily armed officers in masks and helmets stormed the house, zip-tying Ms. Patterson's hands together and forcing her to the floor. Daniel Patterson pleaded with officers to let him secure the family pets, two dogs named Essy and Moosey. Instead, officers shot and killed both animals. One dog was shot in the throat, then in the back, and then again in the leg as it tried to hide. The other was shot as it cowered in fear behind a table. No arrests were made.
Posted by Seymour
Gulf Coast
Member since Sep 2013
1633 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 3:35 pm to
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This is a cop out response


There is a reason this idiom exists
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 3:39 pm to
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e. humor is definitely not your strong suit.


you were being glib, not funny. Learn the difference.

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I also find it ironic that you question my logic all while stereotyping an entire group.


what group did I stereotype? criminals with badges?
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 3:43 pm to
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Sometimes it is better to sit in the corner and be quiet little boy.


the patronizing attitude by a man who excuses criminal behavior because of the thin blue line....absurd.
Posted by Seymour
Gulf Coast
Member since Sep 2013
1633 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 3:47 pm to
He's mad at me from my speeding ticket ticket thread and the dog shooting thread from earlier this week. I'll admit that I was a little butthurt in the ticket thread so maybe I was asking for it
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 3:51 pm to
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the dog shooting thread from earlier this week.


you have no idea.....I have started more dog shooting threads and cop abuse threads than anyone.

Dan thinks it's "an agenda"
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 3:54 pm to
It would seem to me that if you "no knock" and don't identify yourself then you pretty much better get that shite right because as far as I'm concerned, you're just a burglar until one knows better.

Any other view is just fricking perverted. Are people WHO HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN ARRESTED YET supposed to just assume that the dude crawling thru their window is a cop because maybe they haven't been model citizens?
Posted by Seymour
Gulf Coast
Member since Sep 2013
1633 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 3:59 pm to
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Dan thinks it's "an agenda"


I do have an agenda against grave civil liberty injustices just like he has an agenda of defending fellow officers.
Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
6048 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 4:08 pm to
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Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
6048 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 4:13 pm to
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Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36683 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 4:37 pm to
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Bradbury concluded that, confirming Donald Scott's fears, the L.A. sheriff's department conducted its raid for the purpose of seizing Donald Scott's property through drug asset forfeiture laws. Under federal law, the department would have been able divvy up proceeds from the $2.5 million ranch with the four other agencies joining in the investigation. Bradbury found documents in which the investigating agencies had expressed desire for Scott's land on various "wish lists," and one notation in which sheriff's department officials had taken note of the recent sale value of one parcel of Scott's land.


Holy shite.



This is the type of issue where an alliance between groups like libertarians and the ACLU can actually be valuable.

Individual rights are supposed to be a treasured part of our country's heritage and value system. Seizing things from people because they might be criminals is fundamentally wrong when you consider the primacy of our "innocent until proven guilty" value system. The motivation is entirely unacceptable as well - in no case should an organization responsible for law enforcement directly benefit from said enforcement. On a smaller individual scale (but perhaps larger cumulatively) we can see this problem with small town using aggressive and deceptive speed traps to fund their police departments.

Furthermore, I think the punishment is well out of scale with the crime if they are seizing massive amounts of property from people. When the state or components of the state benefit financially from law enforcement you are asking for corruption of the legal and law enforcement system.
Posted by TexasTiger1185
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2011
13133 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 6:35 pm to
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this might be a dumb question but why do this at 5:30 in the morning? Why not wait til say, 7:30?


In regards to the question, what makes 7:30 any better?

Relative to the story, if the guy didn't have any of the stuff they were looking for, drugs and money, and had a legal weapon (did I miss where this wasn't a legal weapon?) then what is he under arrest for?

Kimball (Arnold from kindergarten cop?) should be the one held responsible for this. What happens with the castle law?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21448 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 6:36 pm to
It's hard to read some of these stories without having serious doubts about our judicial (not justice) system.
Posted by LT
The City of St. George
Member since May 2008
5159 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 7:10 pm to
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There are many that talk about Sulphur's asset forfeiture abuse.



When they talk about the national news reports a few years ago, they mean the mid nineties. That shite was a long time ago. Your link is a shitty source.
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
37935 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 7:21 pm to
I'm glad the thugs with badges got a taste of their own medicine for once. This guy will hopefully get off.
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