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Making a house with a crawl space more energy efficient. Tips/thoughts?

Posted on 3/14/18 at 8:31 pm
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6286 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 8:31 pm
Looking at a house that we like a lot (it's ~15 years old). Problem is it's off the ground. Our current house (65 years old) is off the ground and when we put our list together for "wants" in a house, on the ground was first.

So, what can be done to remedy cold floors and high energy bills that this house has/will have? 4" of spray foam? Heated floors in bathrooms? What else?
Or should this be a deal breaker?
This post was edited on 3/14/18 at 9:33 pm
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
11897 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 8:32 pm to
quote:

Making an house


Ridiculous
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 8:33 pm to
Now we're talking about crawl spaces?


gtfo
Posted by TigerChief10
Member since Dec 2012
10858 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 8:34 pm to
Seems like you should pick another house if the first thing on your "wants" was on the ground
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
9928 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 8:36 pm to
Haul in some dirt and get a shovel. It'll be on the ground soon enough.
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
15103 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 8:42 pm to
quote:

cold floors


Cold floors in Houma
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
25455 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 8:50 pm to
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thoughts



Couldn't get past the title with that grammar.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 9:10 pm to
Install Clean Space. Fully encapsulated and dehumidified. No more mold, no more bugs, no more air drafts, and a kick arse clean storage space.




Posted by halleburton
Member since Dec 2009
1519 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 10:08 pm to
3" of closed cell foam bruh. Forget that cleanspace nonsense.
Posted by piratedude
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2009
2504 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 10:18 pm to
1" of 2 pound closed cell spray foam on the bottom of the floor will seal and give you about R7. that will be a big step.

at only 15 years old, the windows and doors are probably good. go into the attic and foam every hole (wire, pipe, etc.) in the top of a wall plate. the foam on the floor will catch the holes in the bottom wall plates. add insulation to the attic.
Posted by tom
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
8157 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 10:18 pm to
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Our current house (65 years old)

Double pane windows should be priority number one if you haven't already done it. You really don't lose as much as you'd think through the floors, unless your crawl space is abnormally large.
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6286 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 10:32 pm to
We have new windows in our current house. The issue is that in the winter the floors are ice cold. We don't want that in our next house so we want to prevent it.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 10:48 pm to
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3" of closed cell foam bruh. Forget that cleanspace nonsense.



Nonsense?

Here you go:

LINK
This post was edited on 3/14/18 at 10:53 pm
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6286 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:12 pm to
Could encapsulation be done to a pier and beam structure with lattice between the exterior piers?
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 8:53 am to
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Could encapsulation be done to a pier and beam structure with lattice between the exterior piers?



I wouldn't think so. Very little chance you could get a complete seal, nor be able to dehumidify sufficiently. Spray foam might be your best bet with that arrangement.
Posted by Open Dore Policy
The Commodore State
Member since Oct 2012
4472 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:22 am to
quote:

your crawl space is abnormally large.


That's what he said.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:07 pm to
quote:

3" of closed cell foam bruh. Forget that cleanspace nonsense.



In case you didn't read the link:

quote:

Crawlspaces should have a continuous sealed groundcover of vapor diffusion resistant materials, such as taped polyethylene or, preferably, a thin poured concrete slab over polyethylene with perimeter and control joints sealed. When the crawlspace ground level is below the ground level of the surrounding grade they should have perimeter drainage just like a basement. There must be good drainage away from crawlspaces (refer to Information Sheet 101: “Groundwater Control”). Crawlspace design and construction should also provide drainage for potential plumbing leaks or flooding incidents by sloping the ground level to a drain.
Crawlspaces should be insulated on their perimeters — they should not be insulated between floors. Crawlspaces insulated on the perimeter are warmer and drier than crawlspaces insulated between the crawlspace and the house.



Posted by whit
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
10999 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:12 pm to
My house is off the ground and I have all wood and tile floors. Never noticed them being cold. My energy bill isn’t high.
Posted by halleburton
Member since Dec 2009
1519 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 8:54 pm to
It’s just a complete waste of time and/or money, and honestly seems like it wouldn’t last but a few years. Closed cell FTW, vapor barrier, seals holes/penetrations and adds structural integrity to floor system. Solid all the way around.
Posted by lgtiger
LA
Member since May 2005
1141 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:25 pm to
Extension service has good paper on insulating crawl spaces

crawl space

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