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re: Lucas oil stabilizer, etc.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:10 pm to Disgeaux Bob
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:10 pm to Disgeaux Bob
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Good oil does not need additional additives
I agree. If oils are formulated correctly with great additives then it shouldn’t need to be “sweetened”.
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Posted on 6/29/19 at 2:04 pm to Shoulderchoke
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I have my MLT
Me too and CLS from STLE. I highly recommend you take CLS...it is very difficult but the class is the best whether you pass the test or not.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 2:09 pm to redfieldk717
I plan on it. Just don’t have the knowledge yet or the time to really set aside to study. I’ll likely try to get it next year.
You sell lubricants?
You sell lubricants?
Posted on 6/29/19 at 2:12 pm to Shoulderchoke
Yes, you?
Posted on 6/29/19 at 2:14 pm to BuckyCheese
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While I know what you mean by that what many people don't know is an engine that is "burning" NO oil is getting ready to fail.
Feel free to expand on this.
Rando replied to this and got downvoted...
The compression ring (most cars will have 3 rings compression, groove ring and oil control) has to have an oil film to ride against or it and the piston wall will be destroyed. This oil film will mostly be burned off during the power cycle.
So a 4 cycle engine is always burning a small amount of oil in order to run if it doesn't it is about to self destruct.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 2:18 pm to GoodOlBaw
lucas oil treatment is legit for cars with 80k+
Posted on 6/29/19 at 2:24 pm to redfieldk717
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Yes, you
Yep.
I’m over the Direct Market Lubricant program for Safety-Kleen in So. LA and So. MS.
Who are you with ?
Posted on 6/29/19 at 2:27 pm to Shoulderchoke
Delta fuel in north la and east tx.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 2:36 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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The anti-foaming additives seem to be easily affected which causes the aeration someone mentioned earlier.
This is the most direct impact that has been proven to occur with LOS and other additives. Modern oil is a very careful balance and mucking with it can cause issues. I am not saying LOS won't alleviate or mask certain issues but there are usually better ways to deal with issues properly.
Sticky/loud lifters/cam followers often can be "fixed" by running some Seafoam in the crankcase just prior to an oil change. The Seafoam will break down a bunch of the buildup in the small oil passages and allow for proper lifter pump up.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 2:41 pm to Cosmo
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Another question: full synthetic. Yes or no?
A 5qt bottle of mobil 1 is only $20 at walmarks so why not.
One of the biggest advantages with "full synthetics" is they normally have a better additive package and can handle longer drain cycles. If you are one of the last 3k-5k miles oil change guys on the planet then synthetics have less value. If on the other end of the spectrum you are a guy that gets a used oil analysis from Blackstone et al after every drain and adjust your drain milage synthetic can be a huge labor/cost saver.
Then there is the discussion of Group IV vs Group V oil and which makes more sense for your situation but that is kinda beyond the scope of tOT.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 2:46 pm to Obtuse1
I disagree about full synthetics having better additive packs.
Additives do not play well with full synthetics due to the uniformity of molecule size. It makes it difficult to blend the ad packs in. Synthetics rely on its resistance to oxidation and high viscosity index. Additive packs are better in mineral oils.
Also, there are no group V engine oils to my knowledge. Did you mean group III vs group IV?
Additives do not play well with full synthetics due to the uniformity of molecule size. It makes it difficult to blend the ad packs in. Synthetics rely on its resistance to oxidation and high viscosity index. Additive packs are better in mineral oils.
Also, there are no group V engine oils to my knowledge. Did you mean group III vs group IV?
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 6/29/19 at 3:09 pm to redfieldk717
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Did you mean group III vs group IV?
Yup.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 3:17 pm to redfieldk717
I’m not even familiar with any major brand group IV engine oils.
Synthetics don’t have better “add packs”. Their uniformity at the molecular level is what allows them to be a better at low/high temps and resist oxidation, etc.
Also let’s make sure everyone understands that an engine oil can be sold as “Full Synthetic” and be made of petroleum base. We are now refining oils to a degree that they meet what was the the standard for synthetic oils. The company I work for is now doing this.
RedfieldK717 you can probably speak on this much better than I can
Synthetics don’t have better “add packs”. Their uniformity at the molecular level is what allows them to be a better at low/high temps and resist oxidation, etc.
Also let’s make sure everyone understands that an engine oil can be sold as “Full Synthetic” and be made of petroleum base. We are now refining oils to a degree that they meet what was the the standard for synthetic oils. The company I work for is now doing this.
RedfieldK717 you can probably speak on this much better than I can
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 6/29/19 at 3:31 pm to Shoulderchoke
Group IV is any oil that’s PAO. Most majors use PAO in their full synthetics.
There was a lawsuit back in the day between Castrol and Exxon Mobil. Castrol was claiming that their group 3 was full synthetic due to the uniform size of the molecules. It is so highly refined that it met the definition of synthetic. Castrol won, making it possible to call a group 3 an actual synthetic. Exxon Mobil was the king of PAO at the time so they challenged Castrol on their claim and lost.
The main difference is you will see PAO achieve higher viscosity index than group III
There was a lawsuit back in the day between Castrol and Exxon Mobil. Castrol was claiming that their group 3 was full synthetic due to the uniform size of the molecules. It is so highly refined that it met the definition of synthetic. Castrol won, making it possible to call a group 3 an actual synthetic. Exxon Mobil was the king of PAO at the time so they challenged Castrol on their claim and lost.
The main difference is you will see PAO achieve higher viscosity index than group III
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 6/29/19 at 3:48 pm to redfieldk717
I believe Mobil Full-Syn are highly refined petroleum base that is fortified with pao.
They are not 100% PAO.
They are not 100% PAO.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 4:01 pm to Shoulderchoke
They may be now. Lots of people play marketing games now with what they call it and how they portray it. Synthetic blends are a joke.
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