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Posted on 8/9/20 at 8:48 am to
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28443 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 8:48 am to
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We make no attempt to rehabilitate people and then wonder why our communities have so many broken homes, so much crime, and so much poverty.


It’s not the state’s responsibility to rehabilitate offenders. It’s the state’s responsibility to enforce the laws.

I wish there was more of a focus on crime prevention. The breakdown of the nuclear family is a terrible thing.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28443 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 8:49 am to
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A phony arse drug "war" has almost single handedly destroyed families in the black community.



I guess we can just toss out any notion of personal responsibility now
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
46375 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 8:51 am to
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Where? You hear of drug court? You sound like you've been propagandized.
Having to do drug court for weed? You can't be fricking serious dude. You trolling me here?


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I'm probably more aware than you as im closer to these situations.


You don't have a clue. Closer than someone who used to run those streets and who actually knows some of the real fricked up shite that's done? Or, do you just mean you're a lawyer and so you're "close" that way?
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
46375 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 8:51 am to
I addressed that if you continued reading.
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
46375 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 8:54 am to
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Now do what the black family as well as others looked like before The Great Society was passed.

Touche'
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78076 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 8:56 am to
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Having to do drug court for weed? You can't be fricking serious dude. You trolling me here?
Who is in prison for weed? Drug court is for all manner of drugs. Why do you keep reducing it to weed?

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You don't have a clue. Closer than someone who used to run those streets and who actually knows some of the real fricked up shite that's done? Or, do you just mean you're a lawyer and so you're "close" that way? 
I have more of a clue than some former user who is bitter about the system. I know that there are systems set up to assist the defender with drug issues rather than send them to prison. I also know that those defenders get several opportunities to get it right. I also know that defendants are afforded surprising leeway in the ability to plea down their charges, even violent ones.
This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 8:57 am
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 8:58 am to
We don't have money for drug rehabilitation because we're pouring so much money into imprisoning people for being addicted to drugs. We also don't have the money to properly care for the number of people we put in prisons, which is why we have two private prisons in a state of 4.5 million people.

Louisiana's rise in incarceration rate is directly tied to the dumbass "war on drugs." Prior to the war on drugs, Louisiana was 13th in the country for incarceration rate, we're now number 1...

What happens when you put a drug addict in prison? You make him a criminal and a drug addict because he's never been rehabilitated. Louisiana's politicians have failed the state at every level and the proof of that is in our prisons. We have high rates of poverty, poor education systems, high drug use, high crime rates -- all of those things are directly related.

You believe that people in Louisiana are just bad and were always meant to be criminals?

Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 8:59 am to
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It’s not the state’s responsibility to rehabilitate offenders. It’s the state’s responsibility to enforce the laws.



That attitude is why we have such a high rate of repeat offenders.
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
21347 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:00 am to
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Name the civilization that has advanced beyond that of the American empire.

Is your question “where,” or is your question, “when?”

And what do you mean by civilization and by advanced?

Look, I get your point. I just think it’s too simplistic.

You can’t just point to this one thing in the correctional system and say, “that’s uncivilized!” and think that will solve anything. We have lots and lots of problems in our civilization. That’s my point.

Civilization is like a big tapestry. You pull that string here, and a maybe whole row comes unsewn.

What’s your idea to deal with the problem of repeat offenders?
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
120144 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:02 am to
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They all cost taxpayers money


In college, I worked at a local courthouse. The jail nurse used to have to come into our office to put in requisitions. When she would leave out, we would look through them to see how much money was spent on what.

For some reason she didn't do just medical expenses, she did transportation, etc, etc. And some of the cost made no sense. There was one parish that charged the parish I was in over $200k to transport a prisoner (there had to be something else going on there).

If a parish had to do anything medical related to a prisoner before transporting them, they would charge $2k - $3k because they had to give a prisoner a few stitches. We didn't have smartphones back then, but I wish I could have taken pictures just to show people how much fricking tax dollars are spent on bullshite.

The sheriff's department is funded by property tax knowing the shite that money is spent on, everyone should be pissed by the amount of property tax they have to pay..
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
46375 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:05 am to
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Who is in prison for weed? Drug court m is for all manmer of drugs. Why do you keep reducing it to weed
Because that's what we originally were talking about. Our prison system being overpopulated because of bullshite like weed.

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have more of a clue than some former user who is bitter about the system.
Who are you speaking of?

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know that there are systems set up to assist the defender with drug issues rather than send them to prison
Like drug court or a place like Cenikor. But, again, why are we putting people who need drug rehabilitation into the prison system? It should be separated. I understand drugs are illegal, therefore by law, you can be sentenced to jail. How about instead of jail, the first couple of times we send them to rehab? As long as it's nonviolent and a drug crime.

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also know that those defenders get several opportunities to get it right. 
Some do. I wasn't afforded that, but I was ok with it.

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also know that defendants are afforded surprising leeway in the ability to plea down their charges, even violent ones.
I can agree with that on most cases. I think sometimes even too much. Get a judge like Trudy White and you can plead a murder into an accidental death, sadly.
This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 9:07 am
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
120144 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:06 am to
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The fact we STILL lock people up for weed is a fricking joke.



I am not sure how accurate this is, but I heard on a podcast I recently listened to that there are over 700k people in the US, incarcerated for drug possession.
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
46375 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:08 am to
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We don't have money for drug rehabilitation because we're pouring so much money into imprisoning people for being addicted to drugs. We also don't have the money to properly care for the number of people we put in prisons, which is why we have two private prisons in a state of 4.5 million people.

Louisiana's rise in incarceration rate is directly tied to the dumbass "war on drugs." Prior to the war on drugs, Louisiana was 13th in the country for incarceration rate, we're now number 1...

What happens when you put a drug addict in prison? You make him a criminal and a drug addict because he's never been rehabilitated. Louisiana's politicians have failed the state at every level and the proof of that is in our prisons. We have high rates of poverty, poor education systems, high drug use, high crime rates -- all of those things are directly related.

You believe that people in Louisiana are just bad and were always meant to be criminals?
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78076 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:08 am to
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We don't have money for drug rehabilitation because we're pouring so much money into imprisoning people for being addicted to drugs
That bullshite. It's obvious you buy all of that cost per prisoner propaganda. A previous poster tLSU laid.out that BS nicely earlier in the thread.

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What happens when you put a drug addict in prison? You make him a criminal and a drug addict because he's never been rehabilitated
Show me those in prison for purely being an addict or just minor drug charges.

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You believe that people in Louisiana are just bad and were always meant to be criminals
There are murders and all manmer of violent crime committed by people who have previous convictions on a daily basis in this state. There are also similar crimes committed by young folks as well. Why? There will always be a percentage of people who are dysfunctional and that percentage will not be evenly distributed across all states.

This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 9:13 am
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
120144 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:10 am to
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It’s not the state’s responsibility to rehabilitate offenders. It’s the state’s responsibility to enforce the laws.


That's the problem. In the long run, rehabilitation would cost less.

Look what is done in Germany & the Netherlands.

LINK
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78076 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:11 am to
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I am not sure how accurate this is, but I heard on a podcast I recently listened to that there are over 700k people in the US, incarcerated for drug possession
You can bet it's not accurate. Do they talk about how the simple battery or other charges were dropped or that possession charge was the result of pleading down more serious charges? Do they say how many if those charges were preceded by three or four other convictions for non drug related crimes. I guarantee you they don't. It is propaganda.
This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 9:12 am
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
21347 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:13 am to
That chart is for suckers.

NATO founding members? Really?

Come on dude! Talk turkey.

We have an incarceration problem because we have a crime problem.

Why do we have a crime problem? Many factors.

1) Historic culture that tolerates/celebrates excessive alcohol (and drugs?)

2) Cultural norms (perhaps environmentally influenced) that does not promote industriousness.

3) Reverberations of slavery/Jim Crow that leaves the state with a large population of black people who are taught that they are perpetual victims, with all of the emotional and psychological baggage that brings with it, preventing them from fully achieving self-actualization and full participation in society, often choosing instead to participate in a counter-cultural society with largely violent and criminal elements.
Posted by 0
Member since Aug 2011
17488 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:14 am to
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Nope, he should be immediatly hung by the neck until dead, he is deyond redemption and there is no need to waste another cent on him.


All Lives Matter
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:14 am to
Drug offenders make up 46.2% of our federal prison population, 68,685 people. I could not quickly find the state statistics.

From the Federal Bureau of Prisons

Posted by lepdagod
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
5503 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:15 am to
It’s common sense shite like this that pisses most people off about the law...
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