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re: Louisiana Legislators WORKING TO OVERRIDE JBE STAY AT HOME EO

Posted on 4/28/20 at 1:56 pm to
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 1:56 pm to
If Seabaugh is going public with it that means he’s secured support through backchannels.

Simple majority of either chamber shouldn’t be hard to get, especially with how conservative the House is.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 2:30 pm
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49097 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 1:56 pm to
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Does anyone have anything more concrete than a short quote from a single state rep?


They absolutely have this power.

Whether he has as much support as he claims, who knows? But I would not doubt it.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 1:56 pm to
Maximum risk isn’t simply allowing people to make their own health decisions in the dark. And that’s not even what would take place. Recommendations and guidelines could and would still exist giving people a plan based on their situation.

Opening up with no restrictions isn’t the worst case scenario you’re making it out to be. For the GOP or the people of the state.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49097 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 1:59 pm to
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Recommendations and guidelines could and would still exist giving people a plan based on their situation.


There could be no enforcement of it. The Legislature has no power other than to wipe it all away.

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Opening up with no restrictions isn’t the worst-case scenario you’re making it out to be. For the GOP or the people of the state.


I'm not saying its Armageddon. I'm saying it maximizes the public health risk and the State GOP will assume that risk.

Hence why using this as leverage is the better play. Force JBE's hand and make him say no publicly.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87205 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:02 pm to
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There could be no enforcement of it.
So? There’s nothing to stop people with heart conditions getting on rollercoasters. Or pregnant women from getting on an airplane. Yet they still seem to avoid those things without a law or the government enforcing them not to. People do things at their own risk every day. This isn’t something new that’s going to destroy society or the GOP.
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I'm saying it maximizes the public health risk and the State GOP will assume that risk.
It doesn’t and it won’t.
Posted by burdman
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
22633 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:05 pm to
You think they'll do it?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42251 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:05 pm to
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I'm saying it maximizes the public health risk and the State GOP will assume that risk. 



So no individual resposibility? It seems that, according to your post, it will be deemed to be the GOP's fault if someone dies.

Free will.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87205 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:11 pm to
I mean, both sides are going to try and use this politically. My point is that you can’t stop that... no matter who decides what or the results of that decision. Antonio seems to be so afraid of some extra cases after an opening of the state that he’s willing to sacrifice the economy for another two weeks.

Here’s some facts:

1) the spread won’t stop regardless
2) the people who get it now or later will have access to the care they need
3) the death totals in September will be almost the exact same regardless of steps taken this week or in two weeks
4) No one will be safer in two weeks or eight weeks. There’s zero harm in opening now.
Posted by Vood
Member since Dec 2007
8550 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:11 pm to
If they are really serious then the ones leading the charge should get on the phone with JBE and tell him to rescind the order and issue real guidelines or they are going to wipe it all away and make him look like a powerless slug.

Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69335 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:12 pm to
5) there never was harm justifying closing in the first place
Posted by HogBalls
Member since Nov 2014
8915 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:15 pm to
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What’s the theory here?

To make the big orange meanie look bad. Duh
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11767 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:15 pm to
quote:

Everyone thinks they aren't going into poverty because the government will bail them out.

It is as if they have never seen the government work.


As an example, why is Unemployment so high if we have this magical Payroll Protection Loan?
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49097 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:15 pm to
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So no individual resposibility? It seems that, according to your post, it will be deemed to be the GOP's fault if someone dies.



It's very simple. A full-blown opening maximizes the public health risk. Is it possible that absolutely nothing changes and COVID cases continue to decrease? Yes. But it also provides the greatest opportunity for a second bounce that will have social consequences (further lockdown, spike in deaths etc.)

And, if that risk materializes and some major negative consequences occur, then the GOP would be held politically responsible for it by a lot of Louisianans.

What I talked about - using this power to leverage JBE - reduces both the public health risk and grants the GOP a level protection politically.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
84551 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:17 pm to
Yeah, I think the House will. Antonio Moss is right about playing the politics of this so the GOP doesn’t own it if it goes bad, but I think they have the numbers to do it if they wanted to.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49097 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:17 pm to
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Antonio seems to be so afraid of some extra cases after an opening of the state that he’s willing to sacrifice the economy for another two weeks.




I'm not sure if you could have mischaracterized what I said any worse.

Time to grow up and stop living in a binary world.
Posted by Jizzamo311
Member since Dec 2008
6417 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:17 pm to
Who the hell downvoted OP???
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
84551 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:18 pm to
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Time to grow up and stop living in a binary world.


it’s either rugged individualism or full blown collective socialism, bud. Sorry to tell you there’s no in between.
Posted by Bamadiver
Member since Jun 2014
4024 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:19 pm to
It’s also possible that virus activity will be suppressed by summer conditions. And it’s possible that continuing to artificially suppress infection rates will result in a greater boom in the fall.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49097 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:20 pm to
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It’s also possible that virus activity will be suppressed by summer conditions. And it’s possible that continuing to artificially suppress infection rates will result in a greater boom in the fall.


Sure
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
84551 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:20 pm to
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It’s also possible that virus activity will be suppressed by summer conditions. And it’s possible that continuing to artificially suppress infection rates will result in a greater boom in the fall


Then the GOP can play hero for forcing the onerous restrictions to be lifted
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 2:21 pm
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