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re: Louisiana bill would name Bible as official state book
Posted on 4/13/14 at 1:53 pm to The First Cut
Posted on 4/13/14 at 1:53 pm to The First Cut
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While you think that your posts are witty, they only demonstrate the shallowness of your understanding of the subject matter. The rules for what to eat are in Old Testament text. Some of the rules are God given and some are just wisdom passed down from tribe elders to younger generations. The rules were far more encompassing than what not to eat and were in place to set God's chosen people apart from the rest of the savagery of the day. Which rules are God-given and which are elder wisdom isn't fully known, although what to eat likely comes from experience with illness.
No matter the source of the rule, it wouldn't apply to Governor Claiborne some 3000+ years later. That is, unless Claiborne is an Orthodox Jew. You see, Jesus brought froth a new covenant that departed from the "law". Also, in Christianity, there is no punishment for sin that would send you to Hell, or Kenner. Salvation is through the atonement of Christ. To say that you have to live a certain life is to say that Christ wasn't good enough. That's not what Christians believe.
If you want to follow a faith where you have to perform certain deeds to find salvation, try any one of the plethora of other faiths. That's not what we as Christians believe.
While this is true, christians still ignore things in the New Testement. If you've ever divorced for a reason other than infidelity, are a male and worn your hair past your shoulders, have a tattoo, wear expensive jewelry, had sex before marriage, spoken up in church as a woman or go to a church with a female pastor/deacons/elder, etc and call yourself a christian you've ignored things the new testament calls sinful.
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:32 pm to Roger Klarvin
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While this is true, christians still ignore things in the New Testement. If you've ever divorced for a reason other than infidelity, are a male and worn your hair past your shoulders, have a tattoo, wear expensive jewelry, had sex before marriage, spoken up in church as a woman or go to a church with a female pastor/deacons/elder, etc and call yourself a christian you've ignored things the new testament calls sinful.
So if someone has divorced they have sinned. What does that ultimately mean? It means that these two people didn't live up to the plan that God has for us. Is it forgiven? Yes. Are you damned because of it? No. No one is without sin - no one.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:35 pm to Tigerlaff
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Jesus fricking Christ, lighten up Francis. It's a joke. People like you are why you get made fun of.
It wasn't a joke. I know your post history and your real feelings.
Oh, and I really don't care about being made fun of.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:40 pm to The First Cut
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So if someone has divorced they have sinned. What does that ultimately mean? It means that these two people didn't live up to the plan that God has for us. Is it forgiven? Yes. Are you damned because of it? No. No one is without sin - no one.
According to the bible, those with unrepentant sin will not inherit the kingdom of God. Its why most christians say that a gay person, even they are a christian in every other way, cant be saved if they are living openly and unrepentantly gay.
So technically yes, if you got divorced and dont acknowledge it as a sin youd fall into the category that Paul describes when he says who will not inherit the kingdom.
Now I dont believe any of that, but its all biblical.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:43 pm to Redbone
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UGGG, ya got me there partner .... right between the eyes. 44 presidents. At any given time 535 elected members of congress and you come along and blow me right out of the water with ONE name. I'm going to church to turn in my bible and then head to the bar to start gittin drunk. I can get a good spot by the stage where I can poke $1 in some whore's butt floss thingie. I just can't possibly argue with deep thinking like this. I'ma joinin the other side.
Oh yea, there's also that deal about our third President, and author of our Declaration of Independence, being a secularist. NBD.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:49 pm to The First Cut
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It wasn't a joke. I know your post history and your real feelings.
Oh, and I really don't care about being made fun of.
It was a joke. It referenced the first governor of Louisiana, boudin, Kenner, and T-bay the taking nutria.
I'm sorry you feel the need to stalk me on the Internet and draw your lines in the sand. Get a life.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:54 pm to Redbone
quote:People with the "belief in God is the only way" mentality like yourself scare the shite out of me.
Redbone
This post was edited on 4/13/14 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 4/13/14 at 3:56 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Now I dont believe any of that, but its all biblical.
Because an old book written by a bunch of dusty bronze-age men is a perfect source of morality in a world that has changed rapidly.
Y'know...if you approve of slavery.
Or stoning women who get raped unless they marry their rapist.
Or you hate bacon.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 5:10 pm to fr33manator
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Because an old book written by a bunch of dusty bronze-age men
It really is amazing how big a deal the bible still is considering those dusty Bronze Age men were relatively weak and insignificant.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 5:19 pm to biglego
Its not big in and of itself, its big because christianity is big. Without the combination of the Roman empire and the NT, the bronze age books of the old testament would be largely unknown outside of judaism.
Christianity's expansion and popularity can be linked entirely to political and social events between the first and fourth centuries. There was nothing supernatural about it, anymore than there was behind the spread of Islam.
Christianity's expansion and popularity can be linked entirely to political and social events between the first and fourth centuries. There was nothing supernatural about it, anymore than there was behind the spread of Islam.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 6:57 pm to boom roasted
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People with the "belief in God is the only way" mentality like yourself scare the shite out of me.
Be afraid, be very afraid.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 6:58 pm to Redbone
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Be afraid, be very afraid.
Afraid of what? More stupid bills like this that get ridiculed and never pass?
Posted on 4/13/14 at 6:59 pm to fr33manator
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Because an old book written by a bunch of dusty bronze-age men is a perfect source of morality in a world that has changed rapidly.
I would argue that a changing world has no effect on morality.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 7:03 pm to Redbone
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Because an old book written by a bunch of dusty bronze-age men is a perfect source of morality in a world that has changed rapidly.
I don't have a problem with the Bible per se. My issue here is it's unconstitutional, and even if it somehow passed constitutional muster, it's a waste of time when our state has more pressing issues to attend to.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 7:08 pm to biglego
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It really is amazing how big a deal the bible still is considering those dusty Bronze Age men were relatively weak and insignificant.
It's had pretty good marketing. That pesky Church of Rome making it the only fashionable religion in Western Europe might have helped.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 7:10 pm to Redbone
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I would argue that a changing world has no effect on morality.
So things that were moral in the bible remain moral today? And vica versa?
Posted on 4/13/14 at 8:13 pm to Tigerlaff
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I'm sorry you feel the need to stalk me on the Internet and draw your lines in the sand. Get a life.
I have a life; I don't put people down for their beliefs.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 8:25 pm to beaver
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 8:32 pm to REG861
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Afraid of what? More stupid bills like this that get ridiculed and never pass?
I wasn't talking to you. Go away.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 8:35 pm to fr33manator
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So things that were moral in the bible remain moral today? And vica versa?
That would be correct. I would ask how does time moving forward somehow make the immoral moral??
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