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re: Letter to the Reveille: LSU Greeks should have 'Day of disobedience on game day.'

Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:02 am to
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21693 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:02 am to
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I would love to see you tell this to the face of the "kid's" parents.


"I am sorry for your loss. We need to come up with better ways of introducing young adults to alcohol, rather than pushing them to act on their own accord."

Posted by Packer
IE, California
Member since May 2017
8686 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:06 am to
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Hazing and especially alcohol involved hazing is just another form of peer pressure. If you remove greek from the situation, this would just be peer pressure.


Usually hazing involving alcohol is restricted to organizations though, whether that be a frat, marching band, or sports team. Maybe these don't make the news, but you don't hear a lot of hazing incidents involving just a group of friends.
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
15958 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:10 am to
Because they don't call it hazing and it doesn't make the news. No one cares or notices if an ambulance gets called to an off-campus apartment because someone has alcohol poisoning.

Hazing is just peer pressure at any point you can say no. It becomes it goes from peer pressure to hazing when an organization is involved.
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
36955 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:12 am to
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Jeez, sounds like someone had a bad bid day.


Well, I haven't been in college for 25 years, but I do recall having a great bid day. It was great because I was nowhere near any of it and had no interest in it. Nor do I condemn the whole Greek system....they can do their thing and I will do mine.

What is a real pisser is when one particular self-righteous a-hole writes a letter and bitches about his "civil liberties" being violated and calls for a "disobedience day". Right or wrong, that type of letter just perpetuates the stereotype of Greeks being douchey assholes who think they are above everything else.

What is unfortunate for the Greeks is that when they are in the news, it is for the wrong reasons. I think as a whole, Greek organizations would like to be anonymous and just go about their business every day like the rest of us. But when a kid dies at the hands of one of these groups, it is going to reflect poorly on all of them. There is just no way around it.
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
11962 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:14 am to
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Hazing is just peer pressure at any point you can say no. It becomes it goes from peer pressure to hazing when an organization is involved.


eeh, i dunno. Hazing is done before the person is a member of the organization...a rite of passage that may prevent them from joining if they don't follow the instruction.

Peer pressure, there is nothing to join or to lose if you don't chug that fifth.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52904 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:19 am to
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Their constitutional rights were violated, too bad you don't give a shite


What you fail to understand is that LSU isn't a state that passed a law.

So you are saying that every school, grade level and college, is legally required to endorse and sanction any and all clubs and organizations based on the first amendment?

Because if not, your point is invalid.

And when phrased that way, do you realize how fricking stupid your argument is, no matter how many tangential wiki articles you can cite?

And look! At no point in this whole process did they ban gatherings. Just the university sanctioned elements.

Too bad you couldn't read that, or understand them.

Or understand the significance of my saying they got a shite hand but STFU about your constitutional rights just because things turned bad for you.

I bet you and all of the down voters probably have whined in the past about the 1st amendment when someone got fired on a Twitter post too.
This post was edited on 9/22/17 at 10:23 am
Posted by thetigerman
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Member since Sep 2006
3630 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:20 am to
I hope they are so disobedient that LSU finally kicks all of their asses out. Frats and sororities are antiquated, useless institutions.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:21 am to
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Folks will be say it is ridiculous that people protest or engage in civil disobedience over issues such as voting rights, police shootings, etc.

But frick with their tailgate or beer bust, and the same folks are citing their constitutional rights and outraged at the injustice that has befallen them. A regular bunch of Rosa Parkses.



whose voting rights have been infringed you fricking BLM filth?
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:22 am to
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And look! At no point in this whole process did they ban gatherings. Just the university sanctioned elements.


actually they are banned from even meeting in groups of 10 or more.

They even cancelled chapter meetings.
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
15958 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:22 am to
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Peer pressure, there is nothing to join or to lose if you don't chug that fifth.



In both situations, you are looking for the approval of others. Especially when it comes to booze and trying to show others how much you can drink.
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
38167 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:24 am to
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Greeks have been lectured, given workshops, seminars, or whatever for years about how hazing is wrong and basically illegal, and it still happens. So explain to me how this isn't a "Greek Culture" thing.


You act like they kill kids every year. A kid hasn't died in 20 years. Tens of thousands of people have gone through that system without any issue between then and now. If it was truly as ingrained in the culture as you believe, we would've had way more issues. When you put together that many young guys, an idiot is bound to strike at some point. There is no rule or regulation that will stop an idiot from being an idiot.

Shutting down Greek Life does absolutely nothing. There is nothing to change. There is already a hazing and alcohol policy in place for LSU/Phi Delt. They obviously did not care about it. It's just like North Baton Rouge. You can make all the laws you want, but if someone is going to ignore it, they're going to do so regardless.

There is not a problem in Greek Culture, but all of you vaginas would make it seem as if they're killing kids left and right.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33956 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:24 am to
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Frats and sororities are antiquated, useless institutions.


I would love to hear the rationale behind this.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:24 am to
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What is a real pisser is when one particular self-righteous a-hole writes a letter and bitches about his "civil liberties" being violated and calls for a "disobedience day". Right or wrong, that type of letter just perpetuates the stereotype of Greeks being douchey assholes who think they are above everything else.


Actually, the right to assemble is a civil right.

wtf is wrong with you?
Posted by tketaco
Sunnyside, Houston
Member since Jan 2010
21498 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:27 am to
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You act like they kill kids every year. A kid hasn't died in 20 years.


This. So much this.
Posted by tketaco
Sunnyside, Houston
Member since Jan 2010
21498 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:27 am to
WTH? POST QUALITY CHECK?!
This post was edited on 9/22/17 at 10:28 am
Posted by Psychoanalysis
Shreveport
Member since Aug 2017
125 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:29 am to
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This post was edited on 9/22/17 at 10:34 am
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
38167 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:29 am to
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And look! At no point in this whole process did they ban gatherings. Just the university sanctioned elements.



Dude, they wouldn't even let them eat lunch together, despite the thousands of dollars they've already paid for that meal service. If that's not overreaching, I don't know what is.
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
38167 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:30 am to
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I hope they are so disobedient that LSU finally kicks all of their asses out. Frats and sororities are antiquated, useless institutions.


Show me where the Greeks touched your girlfriend.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52904 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:30 am to
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So, 99.995 % of a group had their civil liberties taken away from them without due process and you are okay with this


So if I wanted to form a club called the "OT Sonic Finghtin'Baws," LSU is legally required under the Constitution to personally and officially sanction my club and all its activities or my civil liberties are infringed?

Riddle me this: how does the process for this have any less "due process" than the football HC suspending or banning a player from playing on a team.

I HAVE A RIGHT TO ASSEMBLE WITH MY TEAMMATES TO MAKE MY VOICE HEARD AND ITS UNCONSTITUTIONAL FOR YOU TO BLACKMAIL MY CIVIL RIGHTS WITH THREATS TO PULL MY SCHOLARSHIP!
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:31 am to
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So if I wanted to form a club called the "OT Sonic Finghtin'Baws," LSU is legally required under the Constitution to personally and officially sanction my club and all its activities or my civil liberties are infringed?



They are banned from meeting in groups of more than 10 anywhere on campus.

seriously.

I can meet with whoever I want on campus.
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