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re: Let's Talk War on Drugs
Posted on 6/6/14 at 9:58 am to fightin tigers
Posted on 6/6/14 at 9:58 am to fightin tigers
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America has proven what prohibition of alcohol does to this society.
And appealing the prohibition of alcohol ended a very bloody and criminal-empowering time in our country's history...
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do not see a positive, on my life, that legalized MJ will bring.
Although I don't think legalizing marijuana would help the criminal activity on the streets in areas that are destroyed by crack, heroine, etc., I am all for decriminalizing all drugs. Look at what Portugal was able to do.
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Portugal's move to decriminalize does not mean people can carry around, use, and sell drugs free from police interference. That would be legalization. Rather, all drugs are "decriminalized," meaning drug possession, distribution, and use is still illegal. While distribution and trafficking is still a criminal offense, possession and use is moved out of criminal courts and into a special court where each offender's unique situation is judged by legal experts, psychologists, and social workers. Treatment and further action is decided in these courts, where addicts and drug use is treated as a public health service rather than referring it to the justice system (like the U.S.), reports Fox News.
The resulting effect: a drastic reduction in addicts, with Portuguese officials and reports highlighting that this number, at 100,000 before the new policy was enacted, has been halved in the following ten years. Portugal's drug usage rates are now among the lowest of EU member states, according to the same report.
One more outcome: a lot less sick people. Drug related diseases including STDs and overdoses have been reduced even more than usage rates, which experts believe is the result of the government offering treatment with no threat of legal ramifications to addicts.
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Posted on 6/6/14 at 10:11 am to biglego
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Can't come soon enough, but don't worry the government will ruin as many lives as possible til then. There's a 19 yr old kid in Texas right now facing 5-life for pot brownies. A fricking disgrace and that barbaric DA deserves a hot death.
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Pretty good illustration of the insanity of the WOD. The hash oil that he used to make the brownies was extremely small, so they used the total weight of the ingredients (1.45lbs) to charge him with a felony.
This guy is no threat to society and non-violent, but yet he may spend the rest of his life in prison with murders and rapists. Truly pathetic.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 11:40 am to dnm3305
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So you support violence then? That's what you are enabling by supporting the war on drugs and keeping drugs illegal. Legalize, regulate, and tax it and the dealers will be out of a job overnight.
He doesn't realize that an outright prohibition is, in reality, a much weaker regulation. If he actually cared about limiting the negative effects of overall drug use in this country you should be all for it being removed from the black market.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:13 pm to BrentED
I'm not against letting the dopers puff on the devil's lettuce as long as they don't try to force companies to do away with piss testing.
I am against thethought of having black tar heroin sold behind the counter at a circle k. Not all drugs are created equal. Some things need to be illegal.
I am against thethought of having black tar heroin sold behind the counter at a circle k. Not all drugs are created equal. Some things need to be illegal.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:20 pm to Sentrius
id like to read more up on the WOD. can you let me know where you got that graph, sentrius?
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:28 pm to LT
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Legalize, regulate, and tax it and the dealers will be out of a job overnight.
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am against thethought of having black tar heroin sold behind the counter at a circle k. Not all drugs are created equal. Some things need to be illegal.
That was the point of my entire stance with a title such as this. Get people to argue that the main justification they have is they should be able to injest whatever they like.
Then make them also agree that crack, heroin, huffing, and meth should be legalized and defend their stance. People think the WOD is only against pot and that legalizing will solve all sorts of woes. They are naive.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:37 pm to fightin tigers
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That was the point of my entire stance with a title such as this. Get people to argue that the main justification they have is they should be able to injest whatever they like.
Let's take the libertarian angle off the table for a second -
Can you reconcile a society in which alcohol is completely legal for those 21 and over and cannibis (primarily marijuana and hashish) is completely prohibited?
Okay, from that starting point, what is wrong with saying that we will divert funding directed against marijuana to continued enforcement of hard drugs, rehab, treatment and education programs? Would you concede this is a reasonable position?
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Then make them also agree that crack, heroin, huffing, and meth should be legalized and defend their stance.
If we could reasonably keep it away from the kids AND find a way to keep you and I from paying for these incredibly poor choices, I think liberty is its own justification in this case. But that is an argument for another time.
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People think the WOD is only against pot and that legalizing will solve all sorts of woes.
Let's call a cease fire with pot - and see how that goes before we take further steps - is that reasonable?
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They are naive.
Well, I'm not - the opposite of it.
Let me tell you about naivete - thinking people will stop using a product that has been consumed all over the world for centuries - "just because" - at the point of a gun - a product that is hardy, relatively easy to grow, and may even have some beneficial effects in addition to its potential as a recreational intoxicant - one that is widely regarded as, in and of itself, not any more harmful than legal substances such as tobacco and alcohol.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:38 pm to fightin tigers
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Then make them also agree that crack, heroin, huffing, and meth should be legalized and defend their stance.
They should be legalized or at the least decriminalized. People should have a right to live their lives however they want as long as it is not directly harming others.
Even if you don't think that people have this right to freedom, the current method of treating hard drug use is ineffective. You can point to the harm that heavy drug use has purportedly cause communities as justification for prohibition. I look at it as the greatest case against prohibition. If the WOD was so effective then we wouldn't have these problems to the extent that we have them. I have never seen any empirical evidence to show that current methods are an effective deterrent for addiction to hard drugs.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:45 pm to Peazey
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Even if you don't think that people have this right to freedom
Hell yeah, freedom baby!!!
Let's make everything about freedom. Put it in schools and daycares.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:46 pm to fightin tigers
quote:huh?
WIW, I think the legalization of alcohol is a great reason as why to not legalize pot. We cant control one substance, why compound the problem.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:48 pm to Sentrius
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How many people has weed killed?
Id like to hear your answer Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:48 pm to Ace Midnight
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If we could reasonably keep it away from the kids AND find a way to keep you and I from paying for these incredibly poor choices,
Why keep it away from children?
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:50 pm to CarRamrod
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Id like to hear your answer
Dont worry, this is the same group arguing you should be able to do what you want with your body, but then cry abouy how alcohol is directly killing individuals.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:50 pm to fightin tigers
Right. Because that's a reasonable response to what I wrote.
Have you ever asked why you want to punish people for having different values than yourself? You aren't preventing them from doing drugs, helping them, or shielding society from harm.
Have you ever asked why you want to punish people for having different values than yourself? You aren't preventing them from doing drugs, helping them, or shielding society from harm.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:54 pm to Peazey
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Because that's a reasonable response to what I wrote.
I know what you are after, but wherever you set the bar it will be arbitrary. quote:
Have you ever asked why you want to punish people for having different values than yourself?
That's a completely different can of worms. There would be virtually nothing illegal if we account for people of different values.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:55 pm to BrentED
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Let's Talk War on Drugs
Lets not
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:24 pm to Peazey
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They should be legalized or at the least decriminalized. People should have a right to live their lives however they want as long as it is not directly harming others.
frick that. You think we have too many sucking off the government teet now.... Let heroin become legalized and see what happens.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:33 pm to LT
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frick that. You think we have too many sucking off the government teet now.... Let heroin become legalized and see what happens.
The government spends wayyyyyyyyyy more money finding, prosecuting, jailing, feeding, and clothing these individuals than they spend on welfare.
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