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re: Let's Talk War on Drugs
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:06 am to cave canem
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:06 am to cave canem
Here's an example of the futility of the war on drugs.
LINK
Highlights:
1. Eight-month investigation
2. Over 100 narcotics agents working the case
3. 7 people arrested, 1 house, 2 cars, and $68,000 seized.
This is not getting enough bang for your buck with the War on Drugs. Now we get to clothe, feed and house these people for however long they are sentenced for. Never mind that the local drug market inevitably rebounded and it's an act that harms no one but the idiots consenting to it.
No telling how much was spent paying 100 narcotics agents for 8 months. But thats the point of this. You have to understand that this is considered a success for the people that work in the war on drugs industrial complex. The purpose of the war on drugs is not to get rid of the drugs, it purpose is to provide contracts and jobs. It's crony capitalism at it's finest.
LINK
Highlights:
1. Eight-month investigation
2. Over 100 narcotics agents working the case
3. 7 people arrested, 1 house, 2 cars, and $68,000 seized.
This is not getting enough bang for your buck with the War on Drugs. Now we get to clothe, feed and house these people for however long they are sentenced for. Never mind that the local drug market inevitably rebounded and it's an act that harms no one but the idiots consenting to it.
No telling how much was spent paying 100 narcotics agents for 8 months. But thats the point of this. You have to understand that this is considered a success for the people that work in the war on drugs industrial complex. The purpose of the war on drugs is not to get rid of the drugs, it purpose is to provide contracts and jobs. It's crony capitalism at it's finest.
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Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:06 am to fightin tigers
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FWIW, I think the legalization of alcohol is a great reason as why to not legalize pot. We cant control one substance, why compound the problem.
How many bad neighborhoods do you think have people afraid to walk down the street due to crime resulting from alcohol sales/dealing?
Do you think that alcohol related crimes have increased or decreased relative to Prohibition levels?
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:07 am to HempHead
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Perhaps because the prohibition of each (or any substance) is protectionism for cartels and only serves to increase public expedidentures for incarceration and unneeded police-work.
If by ending the WOD you think cops will give up and go home you need to lay off the mind altering substances.
Cops don't get laid off, they will just move on to harass other citizens.
Ending the WOD wont lower my taxes and at could possibly bring more heat on me and my inspection sticker issues.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:09 am to fightin tigers
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Ah, I love when potheads argue alcohol is evil and worse than pot. Then want to argue that it is a great example of how illicit substances can easily be controlled.
Alcohol is one of the most deadly drugs out there, even more so than crack and heroin and has killed more people than them.
How many people has weed killed?
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:11 am to fightin tigers
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Ah, I love when potheads argue alcohol is evil and worse than pot. Then want to argue that it is a great example of how illicit substances can easily be controlled.
FWIW, I think the legalization of alcohol is a great reason as why to not legalize pot. We cant control one substance, why compound the problem.
The great thing about this argument is that it's already over. We're on a collision course with full MJ legalization. Nothing left but the cryin'.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:11 am to fightin tigers
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If by ending the WOD you think cops will give up and go home you need to lay off the mind altering substances.
Cops don't get laid off, they will just move on to harass other citizens.
Ending the WOD wont lower my taxes and at could possibly bring more heat on me and my inspection sticker issues.
There is far more current financial incentive for drug busts than there is for any type of bullshite crime like inspection stickers (which apparently only applies to you Louisianians, I've never had a sticker in my life).
Maybe if there wasn't a WoD, the police force (and the subsequent tax burden) could be reduced, as to deal with, you know, actual violent criminals.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:12 am to biglego
The drug problem in my mind is the crime associated with drug use. This is the one thing that legalization can help immediatly, the illegality of drugs is what drives the price up. I do not care if a random person wants to kill themselves with the shite, I do care that he has to rob me and mine to afford it. A junky can afford a 20$ a day habit without robbing me, current laws mean he now has to come up with exponentially more. Legalization takes the profit out of narcotics which is the last thing the suppliers, dealers, cops, or prisons want. No profit equals no gangs or cartels as well as no extra money for law enforcement and no need for all the private prisons. I fully expect our government to continue beating its head against the wall and resiting any change or different approach however.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:13 am to BrentED
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So if there's no WOD, then we'd be Colombia? Not giving shite. I'm looking for justifications and pros for it.
I dont think we would be Columbia, but legalization of the types of products in question would no doubt have adverse effects.
Make crack and meth cheap, wont make methheads get a job. They will still rob and steal. The meth wont land them in jail and the process will just go on until they die.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:13 am to cave canem
How many hobos rob people for booze and cig money? A few, certainly, but nearly as many as crackheads.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:14 am to fightin tigers
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They will still rob and steal. The meth wont land them in jail and the process will just go on until they die.
Would meth legalization all of a sudden legalize theft?
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:15 am to fightin tigers
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Make crack and meth cheap
They're already cheap. That's half the point of those drugs.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:16 am to fightin tigers
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process will just go on until they die.
And the faster this happens the better off the rest of us will be. The only difference is they need to rob and steal less while they are circling the drain.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:16 am to THRILLHO
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Do you think that alcohol related crimes have increased or decreased relative to Prohibition levels?
Sort of a mixed bag. Immediately following prohibition I am sure they fell. However, as society progressed DWI and other such creatrd crimes came into play.
Probably more alcohol related crimes now then during prohibition.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:17 am to northshorebamaman
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We're on a collision course with full MJ legalization. Nothing left but the cryin'.
Don't know if we see this in the near future. Still too much stigma and a lot of special interest dollars flying at politicians. It may seem like the case in Seattle but full legalization is some time away. LA didn't even take steps to reduce the excessive penalties for possession this legislative session.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:17 am to Sentrius
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How many people has weed killed?
Directly or indirectly?
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:18 am to fightin tigers
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Make crack and meth cheap, wont make methheads get a job. They will still rob and steal.
Then punish them for these violent acts and violation of property rights.
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The meth wont land them in jail and the process will just go on until they die.
If they're just doing meth and nothing violent, then what's the issue here?
Any hardships they go through would be suffering the consequences of their poor choices and getting the full brunt of personal responsibility that the WOD shields them from.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:18 am to fightin tigers
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Probably more alcohol related crimes now then during prohibition.
As an absolute number? Sure, especially considering fewer laws on the books at the time regarding public consumption.
But, you know, there are very few people murdering one another as competitors.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:18 am to fightin tigers
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Probably more alcohol related crimes now then during prohibition
Are you trolling or are you this stupid?
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:19 am to cave canem
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And the faster this happens the better off the rest of us will be. T
There will always be a market. Hell phenphen killed frickers and dumbasses still bought the stuff.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:19 am to BrentED
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Don't know if we see this in the near future. Still too much stigma and a lot of special interest dollars flying at politicians. It may seem like the case in Seattle but full legalization is some time away. LA didn't even take steps to reduce the excessive penalties for possession this legislative session.
I agree, and I didn't mean in the near future. I think 20 years is a realistic time frame.
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