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re: Let's talk about the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:10 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:10 pm to Pettifogger
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It's fair to question the bombings. I agree with the use, but questioning past decisions in conflict is a great exercise and one that should be encouraged.
Of course it's fair to question the bombings and anything in history for that matter. That's not what I was getting at. You cant in one breath say "Ok, I get the leaders at that time were ferocious" and then say "I still dont get why we dropped the bombs and I dont agree with it".
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:11 pm to SwaggerCopter
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Ralph Anthony "Iggy" Ignatowski (April 8, 1926 - March 17, 1945) was a United States Marine Corps private who was captured and killed by the Japanese in the Battle of Iwo Jima during World War II. The circumstances of this personally involved one of the Iwo Jima flag raisers, John Bradley.
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"I have tried so hard to block this out. To forget it. We could choose a buddy to go in with. My buddy was a guy from Milwaukee. We were pinned down in one area. Someone elsewhere fell injured and I ran to help out, and when I came back my buddy was gone. I could't figure out where he was. I could see all around, but he wasn't there. And nobody knew where he was.
A few days later someone yelled that they'd found him. They called me over because I was a corpsman. The Japanese had pulled him underground and tortured him. His fingernails... his tongue... It was terrible. I've tried hard to forget all this."
Many years later, in researching my father's life, I asked Cliff Langley, Doc's co-corpsman, about the discovery of Iggy's body. Langley told me it looked to him as though Ralph Ignatowski had endured just about every variety of physical cruelty imaginable.
"Both his arms were fractured," Langley said. "They just hung there, there like arms on a broken doll. He had been bayoneted repeatedly. The back of his head had been smashed in."
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:13 pm to truetigerfan1975
My grandfather was an island hopper for the marines in WW2. His experiences with the Japanese go beyond human rationale. The vast majority of Jap troops refused to surrender. It was more honorable to commit suicide or die fighting in their culture.
An atom bomb is a terrible option, but something drastic was needed to break the will of the Japanese war machine.
An atom bomb is a terrible option, but something drastic was needed to break the will of the Japanese war machine.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:14 pm to truetigerfan1975
Someone had to drop a nuke for the first (and hopefully last) time. Glad it was us and not them.
The devastation caused is the only thing that has kept anyone else from dropping one.
The devastation caused is the only thing that has kept anyone else from dropping one.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:14 pm to truetigerfan1975
The carpet bombings took far more lives than the atomic detonations. Why don't you pussies cry about that? Bottom line, it worked to force the surrender of an enemy whose stated resolve was to fight to the last man, woman and child. It's THEIR lives we were saving.
Anyway, I know (or knew, in most cases) men who were at Bataan and Corregidor. You want to talk about cruelty and ruthlessness in warfare? Start there.
Anyway, I know (or knew, in most cases) men who were at Bataan and Corregidor. You want to talk about cruelty and ruthlessness in warfare? Start there.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:15 pm to stratman83
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The Japs were no strangers to butchery...Nanking?
frick the Japanese. You want compassion and morality? This is the same group of people that rammed bayonet's into women's vaginas, raped and stabbed the daughters, clubbed the babies and then shot the fathers in the head right after they were forced to watch the entire thing. OP, you think people like that dont deserve to be blown to pieces?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:17 pm to Kafka
Once again, frick World War 2 Japan. I will never blame a World War 2 vet for being "racist."
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:17 pm to kjntgr
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I have always had the opinion that the US should have demonstrated the power of the atomic bomb by dropping one in Tokyo Bay. If the Japs didn't capitulate at that time then let them have it
At that point in time, we only had 3 bombs, 2 plutonium and one uranium. The plutonium bombs were complicated and so they needed to be tested. That test was called Trinity. That left us with 2 bombs and they didn't want to waste one of them in a demonstration of power. We dropped the uranium bomb on Hiroshima and the plutonium bomb on Nagasaki. It's a good thing they capitulated when they did because I believe it took us a couple of months to breed enough Pu for another bomb.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:18 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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I don't think anyone in the US command system was thinking this far ahead when the decision to use the bombs against Japan was made.
They absolutely were. It showed the absolute might of the American military and that we had the balls and the delivery system to make the decisions. If anyone was going to show the world the danger and awesome power of a nuke, it was going to be america. That was a calculated decision and it sent a very clear message to our enemies.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:19 pm to dnm3305
let me talk about this from a slightly different angle...the projected casualty rate from an invasion of mainland caused a huge order of Purple Heart Medals...
because of the atomic bombs and the sudden cessation of hostilities, the military had enough Purple Hearts for Korea, Vietnam, all the minor conflicts/engagements, and was using that stock well into the 21st century...
there a lot of people on this board who may never have been born if an invasion of mainland Japan took place...
because of the atomic bombs and the sudden cessation of hostilities, the military had enough Purple Hearts for Korea, Vietnam, all the minor conflicts/engagements, and was using that stock well into the 21st century...
there a lot of people on this board who may never have been born if an invasion of mainland Japan took place...
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:19 pm to MountainTiger
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We dropped the uranium bomb
Little Boy from the Enola Gay
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the plutonium bomb
Fat Man from Bock's Car
G-d help me - I have always been fascinated by these weapons and the underlying technology.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:21 pm to truetigerfan1975
If you have an issue with the atomic bombs then you should have an issue with the general bombing campaigns in both Japan and Europe as well. Tokyo along with dozens of other Japanese cities were obliterated with conventional bombing. The British engaged in an open campaign of terror bombing over Germany. Dresden, Hamburg, and Berlin were not strategically bombed, they were simply area bombed with intent to cause maximum death, terror, and destruction of enemy morale and will. It's a very defensible position in many regards to challenge the morality of these campaigns, but singling out the atomic bombs and having no moral complaint in regard to these other examples is inconsistent and selective outrage.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:21 pm to Ace Midnight
Have you read Richard Rhodes' books?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:26 pm to dnm3305
If we had the technology to build 3. I would imagine we could put together a couple more pretty quick.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:29 pm to kjntgr
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If we had the technology to build 3. I would imagine we could put together a couple more pretty quick.
It wasn't an issue of technology. We simply didn't have enough Plutonium.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:31 pm to TigerGman
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Yup. I was gonna mention Dresden too. Read some of the survivors stories of that Armageddon. The hair will stand up on the back of your neck.
Yeah people like to talk about the horror of people's shadows that were permanently burned into the sidewalk or the sides of what few buildings were left standing in Hiroshima. But you never hear anyone talking about the people being stuck to the melting asphalt of the streets of Dresden or those who were literally roasted alive when their cellars became like Dutch ovens due to the extreme heat coming off the hell unleashed above them.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:32 pm to truetigerfan1975
have you ever seen footage of the soldiers and civilians at pearl harbor who were buried alive at sea, shot, or burned to death? we should have dropped two bombs on each of those fricking cities.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:32 pm to truetigerfan1975
The Japanese used to be assholes before we bombed them and now they are whipped pussies who make awesome electronics. I think it worked out best for everyone.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:33 pm to MountainTiger
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Have you read Richard Rhodes' books?
Not the newer one.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:36 pm to Ace Midnight
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Not the newer one.
I've only read the 1st two but I would certainly recommend them to anyone interested in this topic.
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