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Let's talk about bail / bonds
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:03 am
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:03 am
A lot of talk lately that increase in crime is at least partially related to efforts to reduce bail / bond amounts.
It's reasonable that if a criminal is on the street, they are more likely to commit a crime than if a criminal is in jail. Common sense.
But the whole point of bail / bond is not to lock a criminal up. It is simply to ensure that the accused shows up at trial.
That's it. That is historically all bond / bail has been used for.
I'm fairly certain that in this country, one is still innocent until proven guilty. And I believe one should only serve time in jail for crimes they haver been convicted of committing.
To me, blaming bail / bond is the wrong course. If you want criminals off the street... process their trials faster. Investment more in the court / prosecution system to move the accused more quickly toward conviction. Once they are convicted, give them a sentence that means something.
You also need to try to rehab the criminals that want rehab. For those that don't... heavy punishment, meted out after a fair, speedy trial.
Of course a speedy trial, in addition to more court resources, also needs witnesses willing to testify, police forces that can quickly gather evidence, etc.
It's reasonable that if a criminal is on the street, they are more likely to commit a crime than if a criminal is in jail. Common sense.
But the whole point of bail / bond is not to lock a criminal up. It is simply to ensure that the accused shows up at trial.
That's it. That is historically all bond / bail has been used for.
I'm fairly certain that in this country, one is still innocent until proven guilty. And I believe one should only serve time in jail for crimes they haver been convicted of committing.
To me, blaming bail / bond is the wrong course. If you want criminals off the street... process their trials faster. Investment more in the court / prosecution system to move the accused more quickly toward conviction. Once they are convicted, give them a sentence that means something.
You also need to try to rehab the criminals that want rehab. For those that don't... heavy punishment, meted out after a fair, speedy trial.
Of course a speedy trial, in addition to more court resources, also needs witnesses willing to testify, police forces that can quickly gather evidence, etc.
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Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:05 am to LSUFanHouston
Agree.
A larger part of the problem is Soros puppets reducing major crimes to misdemeanors or using restorative justice.
A larger part of the problem is Soros puppets reducing major crimes to misdemeanors or using restorative justice.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:05 am to LSUFanHouston
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Investment more in the court / prosecution system
Pass.
Apply that to any branch of the government.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:06 am to LSUFanHouston
Not to mention criminals do not pay the full amount. They pay 10% or less to a bondsman. It is a racket that needs complete overhaul.
So 10% of a normal bail is usually enough to get someone to come to court.
So 10% of a normal bail is usually enough to get someone to come to court.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:08 am to lsu13lsu
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Not to mention criminals do not pay the full amount. They pay 10% or less to a bondsman. It is a racket that needs complete overhaul.
And if you skip out, the guy on the hook for the other 90% sends Dog after you.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:10 am to LSUFanHouston
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. process their trials faster. Investment more in the court / prosecution system to move the accused more quickly toward conviction.
They dont need more investment, they need to cut out all the bullshite red tape. I know somebody obviously falsely accused of a crime and it still took 6 months and several court appearances before the charge was dropped.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:11 am to LSUFanHouston
Oh man. We litigated this last week
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:11 am to LSUFanHouston
People charged with violent crimes, especially people with multiple arrests/convictions, should not have bail available - period.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:11 am to Bestbank Tiger
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And if you skip out, the guy on the hook for the other 90% sends Dog after you.
It seems like an outsourcing of something our law enforcement could already do. I am certain they could catch someone skipping court.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:15 am to lsu13lsu
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It seems like an outsourcing of something our law enforcement could already do. I am certain they could catch someone skipping court.
Courts can. Pretial supervision has been shown to be effective, as well as proactive policies like texting/emailing court reminders.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:15 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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They dont need more investment, they need to cut out all the bullshite red tape. I know somebody obviously falsely accused of a crime and it still took 6 months and several court appearances before the charge was dropped.
Like any government acclivity, I'm sure there can be streamlining.
but for example... look at judge divisions. When's the last time you saw any court add judge positions to handle the increase in dockets?
NOPD is way understaffed and needs to be reformed to meet the number of officers they can be expected to have.
Most ADAs aren't paid worth a crap. Most criminals have public defenders and that system is way beyond broken, in many ways due to a lack of funding.
We can argue about appropriate funding... but the system is insanely broken.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:17 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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People charged with violent crimes, especially people with multiple arrests/convictions, should not have bail available - period.
So what if we get it wrong? Tell them sorry for you spending a year of your life in jail for no good reason?
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:19 am to LSUFanHouston
Judges are controlled by the Supreme Court and they add/remove judge positions by caseload.
DAs are more well funded than PDs. Most PDOs are severely under-funded. Both need equal, dedicated funding but that will never happen.
DAs are more well funded than PDs. Most PDOs are severely under-funded. Both need equal, dedicated funding but that will never happen.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:20 am to LSUFanHouston
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I'm fairly certain that in this country, one is still innocent until proven guilty.
I love everything you stated here.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:21 am to LSUFanHouston
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especially people with multiple arrests/convictions
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So what if we get it wrong? Tell them sorry for you spending a year of your life in jail for no good reason?
You miss the bolded part?
If you have multiple arrests/convictions and get arrested again, it's pretty clear that you are a menace to society.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:23 am to greygoose
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If you have multiple arrests/convictions and get arrested again, it's pretty clear that you are a menace to society.
Even if you're innocent and have no way to defend yourself for a year+
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Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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Judges are controlled by the Supreme Court and they add/remove judge positions by caseload.
Even state elected judges?
I can't remember say a JDC going from 6 divisions to 7 and a new judge being elected for the new division.
Not saying it hasn't happened, just don't recall it.
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DAs are more well funded than PDs. Most PDOs are severely under-funded. Both need equal, dedicated funding but that will never happen.
I agree that PDs have more critical funding needs than DAs... but we still have a lot of dragging feet among the prosecution.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:24 am to LSUFanHouston
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I'm fairly certain that in this country, one is still innocent until proven guilty.
Correct, as it should be, however; not every situation is equal.
Take the Perkins case in Livingston Parish for example. If there is video of that person committing horrible crimes, I have no problem with a judge setting the bond so high that they will not be able to bond out.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:25 am to LSUFanHouston
Might be dumb story, but do you get bail money back if you do everything right? I’m not a criminal so I have no idea
Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:26 am to LSUFanHouston
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I can't remember say a JDC going from 6 divisions to 7 and a new judge being elected for the new division.
Pay attention to Cameron Parish because the 38th is likely being eliminated in the next 10 years
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