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Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:32 am to MojoGuyPan
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Did you even watch it?
Pain is subjective and she had to rely on her patients' honesty.
Yes I did. She was operating a pill mill in the middle of the night. She knew exactly what she was doing.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 3:25 pm to MikeD
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Sorry didn't mean to imply some people are born addicts to specific substances. More that there is a genetic influence in people's potential for becoming addicts. Some people are pre-disposed to becoming an addict and others that can drink booze, smoke cigarettes, etc without becoming an addict.
While to a certain degree I agree with the majority of your statement, it still boils down to how strong/mentally tough a person is.
The current generations are much softer than previous generations and have a million excuses why they "need" something.
I speak from experience, since this whole opoid thing has made it ridiculously difficult for those that actually need a bit more than Advil on some days.
In Dec I had my fifth shoulder surgery. Two clean ups of the shoulder joints, two complete REPLACEMENTS and now AC surgery where a 1/2 " of my left collar bone was removed due to bone on bone wear have left me in some permanent discomfort. On rainy days, when low pressure is persistant, the aching is almost unbearable. On days like this a 1/2 tablet of hydrocodone (lortab) makes all the difference in the world in me just having bearable discomfort. Advil, Tylenol etc, don't begin to touch the aching. And while I still have bottles of oxycodone lying around, they can keep that chit. I just want a respite from the discomfort, not to be dizzy and half out of it like these opoid addicts evidently want to feel.
But because of a bunch of pill-popping weak-d%3*ks I am in a position a virtually having to beg my Dr. for some relief.
Thanks Millenials....
Posted on 2/19/20 at 3:30 pm to sta4ever
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Opioids need to go
No, they don't. They are very valuable after surgery and for major pain. Doctors aren't handing them out like candy anymore.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 3:32 pm to MoarKilometers
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I see you've never been forced to drive multiple miles, a few days after knee surgery, because they can only dispense so many at a time now.
No I haven't but sounds like you are being prescribed more than Advil which was my point
Posted on 2/19/20 at 3:33 pm to oldcharlie8
I blame everyone.
The ppl for misusing the drugs.
The folks in healthcare for not stopping when they knew ppl were abusing.
The pill Mills and drug makers who knew drugs were going to illicit uses.
Everybody is to blame.
And Joe taxpayer is gonna be stuck with the bill.
And granny won't get good drugs when she gets hip replacement.
The ppl for misusing the drugs.
The folks in healthcare for not stopping when they knew ppl were abusing.
The pill Mills and drug makers who knew drugs were going to illicit uses.
Everybody is to blame.
And Joe taxpayer is gonna be stuck with the bill.
And granny won't get good drugs when she gets hip replacement.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 3:35 pm to MojoGuyPan
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Pain is subjective and she had to rely on her patients' honesty. It's a gray area that she exploited but really it was her patients who are responsible.
You'll get some bites with this
Posted on 2/19/20 at 3:39 pm to oldcharlie8
I blame the doctors and pharmacists who prescribe the drugs and do it for the wrong reasons.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 3:40 pm to AUTimbo
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The current generations are much softer than previous generations and have a million excuses why they "need" something.
There was an opioid crisis in the late 1800's and during the turn of the next century. There was an opioid epidemic during and after Vietnam.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 3:50 pm to jchamil
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You'll get some bites with this
Not a troll and That is effectively what she said in the the documentary albeit with more stroked out affectation.
She was only found guilty of one count so the judge and jury must've thought her deniability was plausible too.
The reality is the patients are fully responsible for their actions. Pharmacist said some guys would go in on crutches then toss them aside once out with their script.
They had to put on a pretense of being in pain. I'm sure if someone went in and told Jacky they just wanted some scripts to get high or sell she wouldn't give them an Rx.
You blame Walmart and Academy for murders committed with guns they sold?
Junkies and addicts are the ones in the wrong here. They are not helpless victims.
Cleggett's a greedy unethical scumbag but she wasn't pushing. She just gave them what they wanted. Dominate the weak and all that.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 3:53 pm to MojoGuyPan
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You blame Walmart and Academy for murders committed with guns they sold?
No, I do not. I do however assign some blame to drug dealers when someone ODs, and Clegget was a drug dealer.
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Cleggett's a greedy unethical scumbag but she wasn't pushing. She just gave them what they wanted. Dominate the weak and all that.
Sounds and awful lot like a drug dealer
Posted on 2/19/20 at 3:53 pm to MojoGuyPan
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She was only found guilty of one count so the judge and jury must've thought her deniability was plausible too.
Wow. Watch the doc bro.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 3:54 pm to MojoGuyPan
man too bad you weren't her defense attorney
"I couldnt tell if all the people forming a tailgate in my office parking lot at 2 am were actually sick or not. I believed them so much I didn't even bother to write scripts. My compassion was so well known that patients came from Florida just to see me!" Her only crime was caring too much
"I couldnt tell if all the people forming a tailgate in my office parking lot at 2 am were actually sick or not. I believed them so much I didn't even bother to write scripts. My compassion was so well known that patients came from Florida just to see me!" Her only crime was caring too much
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 3:55 pm to oldcharlie8
A lot of the time, people are making a bad decision. That being said, there are plenty of people who got chemically hooked just following the doctor's orders.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 3:56 pm to REG861
I can't tell if he's just being a really lazy troll, or if he actually believes what he's writing lol
Posted on 2/19/20 at 3:57 pm to MojoGuyPan
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You blame Walmart and Academy for murders committed with guns they sold?
i would blame them if they knowingly sold mislabeled, defective products that they knew put people at great harm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 3:57 pm to MojoGuyPan
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MojoGuyPan
Posted on 2/19/20 at 3:58 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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I can't tell if he's just being a really lazy troll, or if he actually believes what he's writing lol
There is no way he believes the part about Clegget relying on her patients' honesty
Posted on 2/19/20 at 4:07 pm to drdoct
People don't understand addiction. It is a chemical imbalance in the brain of some type. Just like how there are a lot of people who drink alcohol, but only a certain amount of people become alcoholics.
Some people can't function normal without alcohol. Everyone is built different.
Same thing with gambling. I have a friend I grew up with who has been in and out of gambling rehab (along with drug rehab). We were talking one day after one of the times he got back from rehab.. He told me him wanting to gamble had nothing to do with winning. He said winning only allowed him to keep playing. It was about being in the game.. And he fought it. It wasn't like he could just stop.
But his dad had an addictive personality. Good as gold, but he was always trying to give up things.. But when he tried to stop doing one thing, he would start on something else. And he passed that on to one of his kids.
Some people can't function normal without alcohol. Everyone is built different.
Same thing with gambling. I have a friend I grew up with who has been in and out of gambling rehab (along with drug rehab). We were talking one day after one of the times he got back from rehab.. He told me him wanting to gamble had nothing to do with winning. He said winning only allowed him to keep playing. It was about being in the game.. And he fought it. It wasn't like he could just stop.
But his dad had an addictive personality. Good as gold, but he was always trying to give up things.. But when he tried to stop doing one thing, he would start on something else. And he passed that on to one of his kids.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 4:46 pm to jchamil
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She pled guilty to one count of conspiring to dispense and distribute controlled substances in July 2009 and was sentenced to three months probation.
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it was uncovered she was also selling to a group of people who then sold OxyContin throughout Mississippi. Seventeen of those people were arrested and sent to prison for selling the drugs given to them by Cleggett
Now why would she be sentenced to probation if the judge thought she was fully culpable but the "patients" she sold to and who dealt on the street actually got prison time?
Was the judge overly sympathetic to Dr.'s car accident? BS. In the doc DEA lady says they didn't have enough for a conviction. Only circumstantial. And 20 years later Cleggett only says she pled guilty because she was too sick to go to trial and just wanted it over with. She still denies any wrong doing.
I'm not saying she's innocent, she's a quasi drug dealer but to act like the "patients" are victims is BS when they are the ones pushing to kids like M and Saint.
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