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re: Legacy of the British Empire
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:59 am to Blizzard of Chizz
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:59 am to Blizzard of Chizz
Be it so. You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
- General Charles Napier (Sun Belt affiliation unknown)
- General Charles Napier (Sun Belt affiliation unknown)
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Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:05 am to MSUDawg98
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Take a look at the history of the Middle East since the start of the 20th century. How they drew countries with very little consideration of "who lived where" is a big part of 21st century instability. They have done both good and bad but their hubris in drawing those lines is their most enduring legacy.
I agree that possibly their biggest mistake in that part of the world was the way they drew borders. If they had taken a different approach they could have avoided a lot of trouble. Instead they created a lot of hatred and new enemies for themselves.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:06 am to shinerfan
Europe was headed downhill as soon as the people started making their way to the new world.
The people who made it across and setup shop are straight up savages. Basically we are a country of savage, strong willed people. The weak, the content, and the scared all stayed back. So then their weak, because they are weak, have allowed what has gone on to happen and now they are overrun by immigrants.
We seem to be on a similar path with some major differences. Technology, land, and no enemies close by are advantages. We still have time to cutoff immigration.
We should learn what not to do from that entire continent honestly, they suck. Dont believe me, crack a book
The people who made it across and setup shop are straight up savages. Basically we are a country of savage, strong willed people. The weak, the content, and the scared all stayed back. So then their weak, because they are weak, have allowed what has gone on to happen and now they are overrun by immigrants.
We seem to be on a similar path with some major differences. Technology, land, and no enemies close by are advantages. We still have time to cutoff immigration.
We should learn what not to do from that entire continent honestly, they suck. Dont believe me, crack a book
Posted on 11/14/23 at 1:51 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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I agree that possibly their biggest mistake in that part of the world was the way they drew borders. If they had taken a different approach they could have avoided a lot of trouble. Instead they created a lot of hatred and new enemies for themselves.
While they obviously could've done better I always wonder if there was any realistic way they could've done it that wouldn't have led to a bunch of hatred and enemies
That region is extremely complicated culturally/socially and isn't highly regarded for being very reasonable about things. I just think it was gonna be fricked regardless
Posted on 11/14/23 at 3:32 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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While they obviously could've done better I always wonder if there was any realistic way they could've done it that wouldn't have led to a bunch of hatred and enemies
I guess they could have given each warlord their own territory. They still would have had to police the region, but probably less so.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 5:31 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
One of their last big achievements was the air defense keeping Germany from invading. They were down to their last good fighters when Germany changed strategiesxand bombed cities instead. This bought time to replenish the fighters. They had a very complex yet basic defense and notification system set up with their radar and ability to scramble fighters. Had they been invaded we have no foothold and no way to prestage, would have required us to come from south/Med. And then Russia likely would have taken more of Europe.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 6:03 pm to PsychTiger
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Kind of true but the Germans also did it to themselves both times.
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They really messed up by bombing Pearl Harbor.
You do realize that Hitler declared war on us, right?
Posted on 11/14/23 at 6:27 pm to Tom288
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Hitler declared war on us
That was the second time around. The lesser known and perhaps more interesting story comes from the Brits feelings about the Germans at the dawn of the 20th century.
I believe if the Brits had it to do over again, they would have liked to demolish Germany completely. But the people were done with the trench warfare bullshite. It had to stop.
But, as most people know, Germany rebounded just a couple decades later. And Hitler used his people's anger towards the English for what they had done in WW1 just as much if not more than he did with the Jews. In some of his early speeches he is just going off about Churchill.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 11/14/23 at 6:28 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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That was the second time around.
Which is why I quoted the guy mentioning the bombing of Pearl Harbor.
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But, as most people know, Germany rebounded just a couple decades later.
Germany's economy, both in the roaring twenties and following Hitler's rise to power, were both a deck of cards. The roaring twenties was propped up by foreign investment and the 30s were propped up by state funding into rearmament and mass projects, but neither were sustainable. The 20's were dependent on external funding and the 30's were predicated on the ability to wage a successful war.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 11/14/23 at 6:30 pm to Tom288
Right. But "the germans bombed pearl harbor" is a joke. Its not meant to be taken as a serious statement.
The first comment that was replied to was in reference to the use of propoganda to bring the US into the war (like the Lusitania incident).
The 2nd world war was an easy sell. People saw Hitler as a great evil that needed to be stopped. But it wasnt so black and white the first time around. I believe most Americans had little interest in a european war.
The first comment that was replied to was in reference to the use of propoganda to bring the US into the war (like the Lusitania incident).
The 2nd world war was an easy sell. People saw Hitler as a great evil that needed to be stopped. But it wasnt so black and white the first time around. I believe most Americans had little interest in a european war.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 11/14/23 at 6:44 pm to Tom288
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Germany's economy, both in the roaring twenties and following Hitler's rise to power, were both a deck of cards. The roaring twenties was propped up by foreign investment and the 30s were propped up by state funding into rearmament and mass projects, but neither were sustainable. The 20's were dependent on external funding and the 30's were predicated on the ability to wage a successful war.
Ok, admittedly i cant say i know much about their economy at the time. I think one of Hitlers arguments was that the Germans had been stripped of their lands and abilities to have a successful economy. I think his argument was that they had to go to war or else they'd be forever dependent on outside help. It wasnt just hey lets go kill all the jews. I dont think that would have worked for most ordinary Germans.
When i said Germany rebounded, i was speaking of their army/war machine.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 6:50 pm to shinerfan
Damn the Brits used to be bad asses
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 6:51 pm
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