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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/10/25 at 8:53 pm to
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 6/10/25 at 8:53 pm to
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For the first time in over two years, Japan has received Russian crude—on a blacklisted ship. Taiyo Oil took 600,000 barrels via the Voyager, sanctioned by both the US & EU.


Based Japan
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/10/25 at 9:17 pm to
Dumbass, we sent stripped down tanks retired around 1990. Of course, no high tech in them. Doofusses like you think that we sent the latest versions of everything. Even the F-16's sent by several Euro nations are OLD worn out versions yet still shoot down Russia fighters with ease.
This post was edited on 6/10/25 at 9:19 pm
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/10/25 at 9:31 pm to
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Dumbass, we sent stripped down tanks retired around 1990


Once Again, you are Incorrect. Per Grok

"The United States did not send stripped-down M1 Abrams tanks retired around 1990 to Ukraine. Instead, the U.S. provided 31 M1A1 Abrams tanks, which were refurbished from existing U.S. inventory and delivered to Ukraine by October 2023. These tanks were not the older M1 variants retired in the 1990s but were M1A1 models, and featured improved armor and a 120 mm smoothbore cannon. Some posts on X have claimed the tanks were "stripped-down" or from "scrap yards," but these claims are not supported by official reports, which confirm the tanks were refurbished M1A1s from U.S. stocks, not decommissioned relics from the 1990s."



Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 6/10/25 at 9:35 pm to
Grok is the same source that exposed your sources and exposed you as a firehoser.

Finally you used a legitimate source!!!
This post was edited on 6/10/25 at 9:38 pm
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/10/25 at 10:21 pm to
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Grok is the same source


Incorrect. Grok exposes NAFO Trolls coping mechanisms to the truth


The North Atlantic Fella Organization (NAFO) is often viewed as a loosely organized group of online activists who use memes, humor, and aggressive tactics to counter Non NAFO narratives, particularly regarding the Ukraine conflict. Below is a breakdown, from this perspective, of why NAFO might be seen as using "attack the messenger" tactics and firehouse of falsehoods as a coping mechanism against accurate information:

Deflection from Weak Arguments: Non NAFO sources might argue that NAFO resorts to personal attacks and smear tactics (e.g., labeling opponents as "Russian bots" or "Kremlin shills") because their arguments lack substance or cannot withstand scrutiny. By focusing on discrediting the messenger rather than engaging with the content, NAFO avoids substantive debate about issues like Ukraine's political alignment, NATO's role in the conflict, or Russia's stated security concerns.

Humor as a Coping Mechanism: NAFO's use of memes, particularly featuring Shiba Inu dogs, is seen as a psychological defense mechanism to dismiss serious geopolitical discussions. Non NAFO voices might claim this lighthearted approach trivializes complex issues, allowing NAFO members to cope with cognitive dissonance when faced with information that challenges their pro-Ukraine or pro-NATO stance. For example, mocking Russian claims about NATO expansion or Ukraine's governance could be seen as a way to avoid addressing historical context or grievances.

Propaganda Counter-Narrative: From a Non NAFO viewpoint, NAFO is an extension of Western information warfare, designed to drown out Russian perspectives through coordinated online campaigns. By spreading what Non NAFO sources call "falsehoods" (e.g., exaggerated claims about Russian aggression or denying Ukraine's internal issues), NAFO creates a simplified narrative that paints Russia as the sole aggressor. This could be seen as a coping strategy to avoid confronting inconvenient truths, such as NATO's eastward expansion or Ukraine’s political instability pre-2022.

Avoiding Factual Engagement: Non NAFO narratives might assert that NAFO's tactics—such as flooding comment sections with memes or insults—serve to overwhelm and silence voices presenting factual information, like Russia’s stated rationale for its actions in Ukraine (e.g., protecting Russian-speaking populations or countering NATO encirclement). By attacking the messenger, NAFO sidesteps engaging with data or historical events that could complicate the Western narrative.

Groupthink and Moral Superiority: A Non NAFO perspective might argue that NAFO’s members operate within an echo chamber, reinforcing their beliefs through humor and collective trolling. This group dynamic is a coping mechanism to maintain a sense of moral superiority while dismissing Non NAFO arguments as propaganda without critical examination. The "attack the messenger" approach allows NAFO to avoid questioning their own biases or the complexities of the conflict.

Western Backing and Coordination: Some Non NAFO sources might claim NAFO is not a grassroots movement but a coordinated effort backed by Western institutions to suppress Russian viewpoints. By labeling dissenting voices as paid shills or bots, NAFO perpetuates falsehoods to maintain control over the information space, avoiding engagement with Russia’s perspective on issues like the 2014 Maidan events or the Minsk agreements.




This post was edited on 6/10/25 at 10:24 pm
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 6/10/25 at 11:21 pm to
It is unfortunate that TD doesn't have an automatic down vote or an ignore feature.
This post was edited on 6/10/25 at 11:26 pm
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/10/25 at 11:38 pm to
I did not say scrap yards, that's you. What we did send was stripped down old arse retired models. Not the modern thermals, no composite armor.

Have fun you dolt, Go drive your Lada to your outhouse
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 6/10/25 at 11:42 pm to
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Once Again, you are Incorrect. Per Grok


Dumbass the M1A1 is a 1980's model we stopped making in 1992. It's an M1 which has a 120 smoothbore instead of 105 of the M1.

Still a dumbass, still fake news
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5645 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 12:00 am to
Kharkiv terrorism update.

The Slobodsky district of Kharkiv came under attack from Russian drones on the night of June 11.

According to Mayor Igor Terekhov, one of the hits was in a residential high-rise building.

"Preliminarily, a five-story building was hit in the Slobodsky district of the city, a fire from the 3rd to the last floor," wrote Igor Terekhov.

The mayor later added that more than 10 apartments were on fire.







Suspilne Kharkiv
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 2:00 am to
Very sad.
This post was edited on 6/11/25 at 2:03 am
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 2:06 am to
Grim prophesy from Tyler Durden at Zero Hedge

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The likelihood of Ukraine cutting its losses by agreeing to more of Russia’s demands for peace is nil. 

Therefore, it might inevitably opt, whether in lieu of the aforesaid scenarios or in parallel with one or both of them, to intensify its “unconventional operations” against Russia.

This refers to assassinations, strategic drone strikes, and terrorism. All that will do, however, is provoke more (probably outsized) conventional retaliation from Russia and thus painfully delay Ukraine’s seemingly inevitable defeat.


Zelenskyy the little butcher
This post was edited on 6/11/25 at 2:13 am
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:53 am to
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Russia's Kotovsky Powder Plant in the Tambov Region, 500km from Ukraine – now likely gone after massive detonations. The VGO FKP "Tambov Powder Plant" produces pyroxylin powders for all types of small arms and artillery weapons.
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Ukrainian UAV struck the Kotovsky gunpowder plant in Russia’s Tambov region overnight/early morning. The facility, part of state-owned Rostec, produces critical gunpowder for weapons and ammunition and supplies the Russian Ministry of Defense. It is the only plant in Russia making certain nitrocellulose-based powders.
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This guts their propellant supply. Kazan took damage, Perm burned, Kotovsky’s gone. That leaves scraps. They’ll lean on North Korea; cheap, dirty mix. Unstable, inconsistent burn, clogs barrels, misfires under heat. They're screwed.





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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:56 am to
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Slovak PM Robert Fico threatens to block the EU’s 18th sanctions package against Russia unless Brussels proposes a “real solution” for Slovakia’s energy needs after a full halt of Russian gas, oil & nuclear fuel.


Fico - FAFO

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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:25 am to
Time for another two week display of cowardness from TACO...

quote:

Trump on April 27: „In two weeks“

On May 19: „Two weeks.“

On May 28 this clip aired.

Today on June 11 another two weeks have passed.



Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 7:26 am to
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How? He has gained very little from his anti-Ukraine stances inside the EU and with respect to NATO. His latest interview from a few days ago suggests he might be changing his tune.



There are several reasons not to and only a few benefits for Hungary, IMO.

He has to get his energy somewhere, and that somewhere is currently Russia.

Hungary has had concerns with how a pretty significant population of ethnic Hungarians have been treated in western Ukraine.

He is probably also afraid that they might lose their outsized influence in the EU. Right now he is Joe Manchin.

Agricultural competition.

Concerns with Corruption.

And then to me the obvious one is that Ukraine will be a taker if it joins the EU. And not even just A taker, they would become THE taker. Even before 2022 they would have been the poorest country per capita in the EU, and its not even particularly close. Bulgaria was previously the poorest and they had over double the GDP per capita in 2022. So a country like Hungary that is pretty middle of the road could see their benefits decrease. Then after the war you're going to see a huge reconstruction effort that will take even more money.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 7:35 am to
hospital "accidentally" struck for the fifth time...

Russia attacks hospital in Semenivka, Chernihiv Oblast, for the fifth time – photos

Anastasia Protz — Wednesday, 11 June 2025, 13:58

Russian forces struck the Semenivka hospital in Chernihiv Oblast again on 11 June. This is the fifth recorded attack on this medical facility. [A hromada is an administrative unit designating a village, several villages, or a town, and their adjacent territories – ed.]

Source: Viacheslav Chaus, Head of Chernihiv Oblast Military Administration

Details: Early reports indicate that the Russians used a Molniya attack drone.

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Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 8:38 am to
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Agricultural competition.

Concerns with Corruption.

And then to me the obvious one is that Ukraine will be a taker if it joins the EU. And not even just A taker, they would become THE taker. Even before 2022 they would have been the poorest country per capita in the EU, and its not even particularly close. Bulgaria was previously the poorest and they had over double the GDP per capita in 2022. So a country like Hungary that is pretty middle of the road could see their benefits decrease. Then after the war you're going to see a huge reconstruction effort that will take even more money


The agriculture aspect is true, but the issue with investment is that it won't necessarily be limited to the EU. There will be plenty of investment opportunities and Ukraine's GDP should grow similarly to other former Soviet-bloc countries. By my napkin math, Hungry's GDP grew several hundred percent since joining. Poland, a country with a similar geography and population to Ukraine, grew by a similar amount.

Those concerns are mostly valid for the first 10 years of their membership, in my view.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 8:42 am to
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For the first time in over two years, Japan has received Russian crude—on a blacklisted ship. Taiyo Oil took 600,000 barrels via the Voyager, sanctioned by both the US & EU.


Those sanctions are crushing the Russian economy!!!

Those sanctions are working!!!.....OT Ukraine Warriors



When your allies.start saying screw you and your sanctions it might be time to change course.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 8:44 am to
JB

Hit them with 500 posts today. They are triggered bad.

Dresden this place.

This post was edited on 6/11/25 at 8:46 am
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 8:53 am to
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Fico - FAFO

LINK


Cope- " Screw your own country and it's people!! Destroy it's economy!!! It's all worth it to save Zelensky and Ukraine!!!"

Cope is the Greta Thunberg of the OT Ukraine Warriors.

This post was edited on 6/11/25 at 10:01 am
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