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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 4/30/25 at 8:57 am to imjustafatkid
Posted on 4/30/25 at 8:57 am to imjustafatkid
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Most of the area between Crimea and the rest of Russia voted to secede and join Russia
Wrong, they voted to leave Russia with the rest of Ukraine. Russia held a referendum after taking over Crimea and parts of the Donbas with military standing at the ballot boxes after INVADING in 2014.
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Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:33 am to CitizenK
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Wrong, they voted to leave Russia with the rest of Ukraine. Russia held a referendum after taking over Crimea and parts of the Donbas with military standing at the ballot boxes after INVADING in 2014.
"Pro-Russian militants" took over some city buildings in the region before this referendum. I guess we can call that a "Russian invasion," but this definition of invasion is extremely broad and would define the USA as invaders of most of the world.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:45 am to imjustafatkid
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"Pro-Russian militants"
They wore their RUSSIAN unit insignias on their green uniforms. and why call the Little Green Men. EVERYONE knows this fact
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:52 am to Darth_Vader
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Having said all that, I’d say you should be highly skeptical of any casualty figures released by either side, or even purported by media outlets.
I would also apply that principle to recruiting numbers even if they come through our military community.. Its not like the MIC doesn't have some interest in the ongoing nature of this conflict.
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All that to say, when the end in WWI came, it came suddenly. In summer 1918, it looked as though the war would drag on for at least two more years or longer. Tens of thousands were dying monthly on both sides. Then, in the fall of 1918, the German lines finally started to crack and rapidly began to crumble all together. The Germans had reached their breaking point. That’s how a stalemated war ends. One moment appears that it will go on for the foreseeable future, until it doesn’t. And when that point comes, the losing side degenerates rapidly.
I agree with your analogy but not necessarily your conclusions... If Russia has an abundance of bodies to throw into the meat grinder, why are NK troops a part of this conflict. So that "fact" alone gives me serious reservations about your perspective.
Unfortunately, its seems time will tell....
This post was edited on 4/30/25 at 10:01 am
Posted on 4/30/25 at 10:45 am to klrstix
Posted on 4/30/25 at 10:47 am to CitizenK
"While Yanukovych's pro-Russian regime was killing protesters in central Kyiv, around 30,000 Russian troops crossed into Crimea, taking hold of the 27,000-square-kilometer (10,400-square-mile) peninsula by early March.
This event effectively began Russia's ongoing war against Ukraine. The Russian military has continued to occupy Crimea ever since."
In 2015, Putin officially admitted that Russian forces had been deployed to Crimea as early as February when the pro-Russian regime of Yanukovych ordered the murdering of protesters in downtown Kyiv.
detailed timeline of the Crimean invasion, fake referendum and annexation. Also details on the ethnic cleansing of the Tatars.
The 2014 annexation of Crimea — How Russia stole Ukraine's peninsula
This event effectively began Russia's ongoing war against Ukraine. The Russian military has continued to occupy Crimea ever since."
In 2015, Putin officially admitted that Russian forces had been deployed to Crimea as early as February when the pro-Russian regime of Yanukovych ordered the murdering of protesters in downtown Kyiv.
detailed timeline of the Crimean invasion, fake referendum and annexation. Also details on the ethnic cleansing of the Tatars.
The 2014 annexation of Crimea — How Russia stole Ukraine's peninsula
Posted on 4/30/25 at 10:48 am to Darth_Vader
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All that to say, when the end in WWI came, it came suddenly. In summer 1918, it looked as though the war would drag on for at least two more years or longer. Tens of thousands were dying monthly on both sides. Then, in the fall of 1918, the German lines finally started to crack and rapidly began to crumble all together. The Germans had reached their breaking point. That’s how a stalemated war ends. One moment appears that it will go on for the foreseeable future, until it doesn’t. And when that point comes, the losing side degenerates rapidly.
Getting back to WWI. The German lines did not suddenly crack. There were major issues going on that caused the German collapse.
First the US declared war on Germany in April of 1916. US troops were slated to be deployed in spring of 1918.
Second, Russia exited the war in March of 1918. The Russians and Germans signed a treaty giving Germany land in Eastern Europe.
Germany believed that they had to defeat the allies in the West before American forces would tilt the balance of power against them. Consequently, Germany launched a huge spring offensive with troops from the East. The offensive included multiple attacks and was initially successful, but the Germans couldn’t take advantage of their successes due to heavy casualties and poor logistics.
Subsequently the allies launched massive counterattacks against thexwedd as kneed Germans bolstered by arriving Americans.
The point is in 1918 the situation was not static. Conditions had changed with Russia leaving the war and the US entering the war.
Ukraine v Russia isn’t the same dynamics. Yes N Korea did send about 10,000 troops, but itdd Sax not like they threw their entire military apparatus into the fray.
Maybe you can equate Ukraine’s expedition into Kursk with the huge German offensives in 1918, but right now it doesn’t appear to have been a go for broke operation,
Germany also faced extreme economic hardships. They were having a difficult time feeding their people and their troops. That was a huge factor too. I mention that because as best I can tell feeding the troops for Ukraine is not an issue.
Yes, there are dug in frontlines, and yes it’s a stalemate right now, but I don’t see the overall situation changing that would cause the existing dynamics to change suddenly any time soon.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 10:49 am to John Barron
Posted on 4/30/25 at 10:59 am to CitizenK
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They wore their RUSSIAN unit insignias on their green uniforms. and why call the Little Green Men. EVERYONE knows this fact
By your definition of invasion, the USA is currently invading Ukraine.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:34 pm to John Barron
Are you really posting North Koreans and Chinese teaming up with the street shitting Russians and thinking it’s a good thing to post on an American messageboard?
Eventually you are gonna make the brainwashed American guys realize that you are all our enemies.
Eventually you are gonna make the brainwashed American guys realize that you are all our enemies.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:57 pm to imjustafatkid
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By your definition of invasion, the USA is currently invading Ukraine.
The difference being: Is the presence of foreign troops at the invitation of the internationally recognized government of the subject country?
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:33 pm to No Colors
iamjustaDUMBfatkid is keeping up his infantile understanding of things.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:57 pm to No Colors
Why doesn't Russia celebrate its Ribbentrop Molotov Pact with ACTUAL Nazis?
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:15 pm to Camp Randall
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Are you really posting
It is Hilarious that you NAFO trolls think most Americans care about Ukraine. News Flash...We don't care. You NAFO trolls claimed North Korean soldiers were malnourished and 10k were killed in Kursk. The reality is those Ukrainian Nazis could not even handle North Korean soldiers in Kursk
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:17 pm to John Barron
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care about Ukraine. News Flash...We don't care.
For someone who doesn't care about Ukraine you certainly post about it alot.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:22 pm to StormyMcMan
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For someone who doesn't care about Ukraine you certainly post about it alot
I don't care about Ukraine but I do care about billions of American tax dollars being given to a bunch of corrupt Nazis. So yes... forgive me for rooting for their demise
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:25 pm to John Barron
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I don't care about Ukraine
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So yes... forgive me for rooting for their demise
So you care about Ukraine
ETA also about time you drop the "Im not cheering for Russia, I'm just posting the other side" facade
This post was edited on 4/30/25 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:39 pm to StormyMcMan
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So you care about Ukraine
No I don't care about Ukraine. You didn't post my whole quote which is typical from a lying NAFO troll like yourself who post ISW fantasy fiction reports from the Kagan/Nuland Family
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I don't care about Ukraine but I do care about billions of American tax dollars being given to a bunch of corrupt Nazis. So yes... forgive me for rooting for their demise
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:42 pm to John Barron
Zelensky says one thing Kellogg says another. It is funny how Fox never interviews Witkoff who is actually the head man in the negotiations now.
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